Get Our Sport Back: Flocheer And Varsity Video Policy

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  1. Cheerfun2

    Cheerfun2 I'm an announcer on CBS for Worlds (or should be)

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    Been to the past 4 Summits. Last year was a bona fide sh-tshow. The new arena was godawful. Soooooo crowded, each stage was so small & dinky. You could hear music from all the other stages, and I ended up jammed up so close I could see up my CP’s nostrils. And OMG...almost saw 2 separate fights over seating. Hope they get their act together before this year,

     
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  2. ScottyB

    ScottyB I have my own cheer message board

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    you ever hear back from them?

    uca high school is getting crazier and crazier, i hope it doesn't fall off
     
  3. Power1979

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    I received a thank you from one of VPs and that my analysis was interesting to see. But nothing of substance in his response.
     
  4. Lisa Seye

    Lisa Seye I'm an announcer on CBS for Worlds (or should be)

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    Would love to see your report. Wow
     
  5. Power1979

    Power1979 Cheer Stalker

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    Pretty sure it was a huge topic in the gym owners forums. That's what got the attention of Varsity who contacted me for all my Excel sheets. Of course I gathered all of the bids awarded data from the bid reveals so it did not account for the number of gyms who declined or didn't show up to summit and d2. My analysis focused on types of bids over last three seasons and divisions and levels awarded.
     
  6. alpaca

    alpaca Somewhere... some one.... is giving me a slow clap

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    If this was relevant to me I would absolutely have a ball crunching the numbers. Its the kind of thing I love. But our gym has decided to not to pursue Summit bids until they 'work the bugs out' per gym owner. Yes they will eventually go for those bids, but not when our gym has heard such awful stories.
     
  7. BlueCat

    BlueCat Roses are red, cats are blue National Champion

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    Normally, I would address issues with the event producer directly. On that note, I have expressed the desire to discuss my concerns in private with Varsity on multiple occasions. Once I was told they were getting a group of various gym owners and flying them to Memphis to discuss. (In fairness, that may have happened, but I wasn't a part of that.) During the event itself, I asked a higher-up when would be the best time to express my numerous concerns and was told that I should "bring it up at Varsity U". I'm sorry, but out of principle, I'm not paying to attend a Varsity infomercial just to express my concerns about Summit.

    This is mostly from memory, but my issues with Summit fall into 2 main categories. The main one, by far, is the various negative effects the event has/has had on the health/future of our industry. That is a full-length manifesto by itself (perhaps for another day). The other is the actual event itself. Here is a brief list of the areas I thought fell short this year:

    Venue Design.

    We were sold the idea of the new building as the end-all-be-all building for cheer. It clearly was set up with the idea that you could run 4 simultaneous floors at once. There are multiple (foreseeable) reasons that just isn't happening. The architect needs to be sued.
    1. Audio design is poor. The bleed from each floor was huge. It looks like minimal, if any, effort was put into containing sound from one floor to another. This meant music had to be kept at MUCH lower volume than any other event we attended. Athletes were missing cues because of this.
    2. Crowd/bleachers was awkwardly close to floors.
    3. Judges area at an unusual angle to view routines and unusually close.
    4. Whoever pushes play unable to get in front of team.
    5. Incredibly crowded backstage area - unsafe and nowhere to have a quiet moment with team (prayers, etc) prior to performances
    6. Temperature control in warmup room way off.
    7. Internal signage was confusing (which floor was which?)
    8. Pedestrian traffic flow was dangerously mismanaged. Arena entrance/exit traffic funneled through 1 woefully undersized area shared with the park entrance. I don't see an easy way to fix this massive design flaw.
    9. The fire department (understandably) shut the event down while athletes stood in the heat for a LONG time unable to move. No one was willing to leave for fear they couldn't get back in, but no one could get in until people left. There was little to no communication about the resulting time delays, etc.
    How they didn't foresee these issues is beyond me. Disney is normally fantastic at moving herds of people around. Surely they have software to model those things when building multi-million dollar arenas? They were running 3 floors and having major traffic issues - 4 seemed like an impossibility. If you couldn't run 4, why design the arena the way you did?

    Event Logistics
    1. Scoresheet distribution was inconsistent
    2. Scoring not available online in timely manner
    3. New schedule not updated in timely manner
    4. No hospitality for coaches
    5. Staff didn't know answers to basic questions
    6. Event ended far too late in evening
    7. Multiple errors in results/announcements
    8. Legality and USASF booth undermanned, too far away from event
    9. Some divisions too large to be judged effectively
    10. Ran out of individual awards/prizes LONG before event was even close to being over

    The marketing on Summit has been brilliant. They have convinced parents that Summit is incredibly exclusive, while simultaneously having the largest number of teams of any event in cheer. They need to spend some of that talent/energy on the event itself.

    NCA and other events are truly fantastic experiences nearly every single year. Varsity can run some amazing, world-class events. 2018 D1 Summit was not one of them.
     
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  8. crazzyeyesassypants

    crazzyeyesassypants Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Will you be bringing teams to Summit again this year? I feel like Varsity is not going to change anything if gyms continue to bring teams to this competition.


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    BlueCat Roses are red, cats are blue National Champion

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    Varsity is moving (slowly) to address many of the concerns. Many gyms are moving (slowly) to adjust customer expectations/plans regarding Summit in the future. I completely understand the idea of "just quit going", but that is harder and more complicated than you would think. The goal is to come up with a plan where the event producers, gyms, coaches, and athletes all balance and benefit in the long run. That just takes time to argue, plan, and coordinate.
     
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  10. ScottyB

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    interesting for sure. but not surprising.

    Yup
     
  11. NikkiB

    NikkiB They call me Susie

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    me either and I'm glad I haven't!
     
  12. Serena Brandt

    Serena Brandt I'm new. Don't Hurt Me

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    If video's are constantly posted online/youtube WHY do cheer venue's tape up the windows? With advent of Nasser I feel that there should be more transparency rather than less.
     
  13. Serena Brandt

    Serena Brandt I'm new. Don't Hurt Me

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    Ewww. Sounds like CA gym on any given day due to overcrowding (more people more money-don't care)...I once saw a girl tumble into another team practicing it's that bad.
     
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  14. Serena Brandt

    Serena Brandt I'm new. Don't Hurt Me

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    Wow is right. Owners don't want to hear about any serious issues going on in their gyms until there is a huge lawsuit (shocked their haven't been more). Glad to hear Summit is a complete waste of time and money....phew.
     
  15. Serena Brandt

    Serena Brandt I'm new. Don't Hurt Me

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    So sue a venue but not a gym for some of same issues?