How Does This Happen?

Discussion in 'Allstar Cheerleading' started by SteelCheerCE, Apr 9, 2019.

  1. cheermomforever

    cheermomforever Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    yes its published ahead of time, but it is generally unfair I feel if a team can place 2nd in bid order and not get the $$ when a team that can place 20 gets the $$
     
  2. XtremeWpg

    XtremeWpg I have my own cheer message board

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    It's very possible that I'm not seeing your perspective properly, and I apologize if I'm just not getting it.

    I don't know if everything has to be fair. Sports are not fair. Refs blow calls, judges get it wrong, Russia had state sanctioned doping and people cheat.

    This concept that fair exists isn't reality in sports or in life. It is absolutely disappointing. And it's absolutely a tough pill to swallow. But unfair? Not from my view.
     
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  3. OldskoolKYcheercoach

    OldskoolKYcheercoach There are Cheeropedia articles about me!

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    People confuse the words “fair” and “equal.”

    It’s not equal that Michael Jordan made a hundred million dollars shooting a basketball while I made zero dollars shooting a basketball; but it’s fair because he was better at shooting a basketball and that’s what the market dictated. If the basketball market had been demanding a greater opportunity for fans to laugh at the ineptitude of the players on the floor, I probably could have earned millions of dollars.

    If a company puts out a guideline that says “this is how we are going to award prizes,” and they follow it, it is completely fair. It may not be equal to all teams in all divisions, but they knew going in what placing they had to get in order to achieve that award.

    What would be unfair would be for a company to put out that guideline saying “we are going to give out 2 bids each in 3 different divisions,” teams to attend the competition thinking they need at least a second place, earn a second place, and THEN the company give all 6 bids to one division. That might be unfair.

    Of course, I could make the argument, as well, that it’s still technically fair because it’s their money and they can give it to whoever they please...they just run the risk of losing customers by doing so.
     
  4. SteelCheerCE

    SteelCheerCE They call me Susie

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    They also put in their declaration that they could award another team in another division that bid. (I’m not going to explain it all again: it’s shown above) If they had done that (like their declaration states) then all 5 top scoring teams would have had the bids... us included. So yes, I understand following the rules and that life isn’t far... but I also understand when rules are bent to benefit others that are as deserving.
    It’s funny to use the Michael Jordan analogy because it actually proved my point. He does better, just like we did, so he gets paid more, just like we should have been.
     
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    The Jordan analogy states that the money goes to what the market dictates. In this case, the market would dictate that they have predetermined where these bids should go and that’s where they went.

    Scores are going to vary between divisions. You cannot do a direct comparison between your score and theirs.

    At this point it’s not going to change. You can continue to be needlessly salty, or you can work to win a division so there’s no question about it next year.
     
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  6. SteelCheerCE

    SteelCheerCE They call me Susie

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    Wow... needlessly salty? Really? Apparently you didn’t bother to read what I had posted above after others offered their advice. That last commment was just needlessly rude.
     
  7. dat.jpp

    dat.jpp Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    I smell drama...:rolleyes:
     
  8. UCFKnights07

    UCFKnights07 Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Doesn't this happen all the time? Yes it sucks but I dont think placements are the sole reason as to who is rewarded a bid.
     
  9. BlueCat

    BlueCat Roses are red, cats are blue National Champion

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    It is extremely common for bids to be awarded in ways that don't simply match the top "x" scoring teams. It looks like they followed their bid declaration - as they should have.
     
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  10. CC1107

    CC1107 I text ACEDAD all the time

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    It happens ALL THE TIME. EPs follow their bid declarations. That's why they have them.

    Over a quarter of the teams that got at larges at NCA had a score lower than my daughters bidless team. Why? Cause in their bid declaration it read that preference would be given to those teams who placed top ten. So divisions that had teams without bids finishing 6/6 with a 92.37 met the preference, while our higher score but placing outside the top ten in a large division of over 20 did not. It happens, there's a reason for it on paper. And its why you should ALWAYS read the declarations. Especially with paid bids, they are almost always a number of 'guaranteed' to a certain division split, regardless of score.

    I get that it stinks when you look at your score and theirs side by side, but the reasoning is there. There is nothing shady about it. Or a reason to be suspect.