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Discussion in 'Allstar Cheerleading' started by MadAboutCheer127, Dec 12, 2018.

  1. Mom2Cheergirls

    Mom2Cheergirls There are Cheeropedia articles about me!

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    There needs to be a separate parent organization. Some gyms are joining together regard to this. We parents are allowing our power (the power of the purse to drain away). Our voice needs to be organized and heard. Stay to play used to provide decent discounts not seeing that so much anymore and in some cases all hotels close by cost an arm and a leg ( far ones require uber or cast rentals/parking fees). Prices at gyms keep going up and up. Competition costs for athletes and spectators on the rise. I understand the group of gyms that are working together are presenting some of these issues but as the consumer and parent of the "commodity" the athletes I feel our voice is not heard to the level it should be.

     
  2. alpaca

    alpaca I named my pet Sir Fierce-a-lot

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    Yep. And actually, the comp was not running on time/in order. I really had no clue when my child was competing. I just sat and watched the whole thing.
     
  3. catlady

    catlady Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I wholeheartedly agree concerning all of the "National" Championships. Ultimately, gym owners control how much travel they require of their teams and how many "National" Championships they are required to attend. Again, I will suggest the book "Convention Center Follies" it explains why these convention centers and sport parks are built (tourism) and how they use hotel stays as their gauge of success. So, to answer your question, "How are they going to force STP when the majority of teams are traveling less than 100 miles to the event?" Cheersport Nationals is having to require STP if your teams are traveling more than 60 miles away, these facilities require a certain amount of hotel stays to determine pricing. These government owned facility managers will enforce these hotel stays by either getting the amount of hotel bookings they want, or raising the price of the venue, offering alternative dates, or just giving it to some other business.

    On scoring, we will have to agree to disagree. There is no way to get precision judging when you have different judge panels in different arenas that are scoring multiple athletes, multiple teams, with various mental snapshots of the routine, in 18 categories and within .1 accuracy. These scores are judge averages, not every judge produces the same number. Close, "yes", exact, "no." Technology or not, even some ball sports allow replays watching one athlete, let alone 36....Rams and Saints lack of call the other night? Accountability in my book is accuracy with rankings and bids, not the speed a number is cranked out. I like to hear the scores as much as the next person, but that number literally means nothing without explanation. There's a reason coaches receive score sheets by category with explanations instead of a piece of paper with just a score total on it. As far as your definition of accountability, there are varying levels of quality in most everything, as well as resource and monetary limitations. The way to hold anyone accountable is to define your expectations, if they don't meet those expectations, don't reward them with your business. Gym owners decide what events to attend, some gym owners don't want scores released... it sounds like some gym owners are holding EP's accountable.
     
  4. emo_wifey

    emo_wifey Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    CP's first comp was like that this year. They put up one schedule right by the entrance. I got pictures when there was no line going in.

    ETA: This wasn't a Varsity owned EP either, so the issue is not just with them.

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  5. alpaca

    alpaca I named my pet Sir Fierce-a-lot

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    I would have been OK with that. At this comp there were literally no posted schedules. We were told to get our performance times from our coaches. I am happy that we don't have any more comps with this particular brand for the rest of the season.
     
  6. BlockHead

    BlockHead Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    That would have seriously scarred my OCD personality. I don't know how you managed!
     
  7. ChicagoCheerDad

    ChicagoCheerDad I shimmy daily

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    So cost is not really a factor in making score known, the scores are entered into a database and if let's say varsity wanted to make those scores available through their "Band" app(which by the way I despise), it is just a matter of plugging what I am assuming is a SQL database into that API and making it available. The same can be said about varsity.tv, if you look at the Jamfest results which included scores it is already connected the database and they are using a database viewer. The real reason regardless of what they are saying is releasing scores and results removes the drama and traffic going to their website for the Summit reveal and therefore effects the number of unique viewers they can monetize to. 2



     
  8. catlady

    catlady Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    ???? I never said anything about cost or ease of releasing scores in my comment above. My comment has to do with bid declarations being awarded by score and EP's probably wanting to make sure that scoring is consistent across arenas with different judge panels. However, since you replied, drama absolutely, because a cheer score without explanation is just a number. Coaches receive the score sheets that have the scores by category and the judge explanations/comments. Doesn't it make more sense for the coach to discuss scores that actually are broken down and have explanations versus a number being released to the public that tells us literally nothing? A released score provides no more transparency than a ranking.
     
  9. OldskoolKYcheercoach

    OldskoolKYcheercoach I think I can mix Cheer Music

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    Not entirely true...

    See also: the announcer calling the wrong team for second place and awarding the wrong team first place at whatever major competition that was last year.

    If scores go up with those names on some kind of video board, everyone realizes he’s made a mistake at that moment.
     
  10. catlady

    catlady Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Human error will happen either way and that error was recognized by the EP and coaches without posting scores. People just wanted immediate resolution and those coaches absolutely deserved the time to look at the score sheets and talk to their kids before caring what the fans thought. It also should be noted that had nothing to do with judging and everything to do with the person announcing the winner.

    Currently coaches receive the scores sheets and are able to dispute their score if they feel an error was made. Does that go by the wayside? Or, do we just get that above level of drama every time a score is disputed?
     
  11. alpaca

    alpaca I named my pet Sir Fierce-a-lot

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    I don't feel the need to see scores at the comp. But I do like for them to be released eventually. I like to see how close the scores within the division are. I also like to see which team at CP's gym is scoring the highest. I like to see if CP's team scores fairly consistently between comps.

    More importantly, we went to a comp last year where the announced placements absolutely did not match the posted scores. That's a huge deal to the teams involved. Posting scores leads to at least some level of accountability.