Summit Reveals

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  1. Cheerhastakenovermylife

    Cheerhastakenovermylife I make my own voiceovers

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    This drives me crazy. I can appreciate Judge's Choice if say youth 1 small has 40+ teams already with bids and Senior 4 large has only 2 teams with bids. I also think scores should be made public. It's odd there's so much secrecy with scores. Yet some events have no problem with posting the scores. I've also heard the gym owner discuss other teams scores when anticipating bids so they're already giving gyms the scores why not make them available for all.

     
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  2. Mom23cheergirls

    Mom23cheergirls Just trying to understand it all National Champion

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    bmta1993 Cheer Stalker

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    I agree on scores, they are so super secret now and that is not good. There should be transparency so it doesn't look like they are being shady!
     
  4. luv2cheer92

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    Did the 2 teams/divisions have the same judging panel?
     
  5. Mom23cheergirls

    Mom23cheergirls Just trying to understand it all National Champion

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  6. luv2cheer92

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    Even still, with comparative scoring, the teams are compared to the teams within their respective A/B split division. So it's really hard to compare scores between 2 different divisions. Part of the reason why I'm usually ok with judge's choice when it comes to bids.
     
  7. Lablover

    Lablover Last Pass... on International Open 1

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    The issue is compounded by the fact that every EP has different bid criteria and most of the time I can't find the bid declaration online so it's even more of a mystery come Monday night. We've been to events where only winners in their division can get the bid. So even if 1st and 2nd place in a division out score the winner of another division the second place team won't get the bid over the winner of the lower scoring division. Conversely, I've been to events where second place in a division gets an at large and the 1st place winner got the paid.
     
  8. Cheerhastakenovermylife

    Cheerhastakenovermylife I make my own voiceovers

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    A couple weeks ago we witnessed a team placed 5th & receive a bid over a team placing first. IMHO a team placing 5th really has no business at Summit. I wouldn't want to pay for my child to go to Summit if we couldn't even win our local comp. Some teams just like to go for the experience I guess.
    Hang in there. My CPs team last year was passed over for bids time & time again only to get one in March & win rings at Summit.
     
  9. Mom23cheergirls

    Mom23cheergirls Just trying to understand it all National Champion

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  10. cheermomforever

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    Isn't that why they now do Summit bids Monday so routines can be reviewed by the same panel of judges? or so we hope????
     
  11. coach12

    coach12 Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    The awarding of summit bids is getting more and more crazy. You never know from comp to comp how they're given out. bid declarations are never clear. If my team gets a bid or doesn't get one I'm fine with it as long as it's done fair. But it doesn't seem to be the case. Worlds bids are so easy to come by. But summit is another story.
     
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    db0506 I make my own voiceovers

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    Im assuming you are talking about CJA J2? I believe they only received one summit bid from this event. Either way, a group of adults who are qualified to make the decision chose them. It may not always make sense to parents, but we can be a little bias.
     
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  13. Mom23cheergirls

    Mom23cheergirls Just trying to understand it all National Champion

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  14. luv2cheer92

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    I don't think there can be a standard for bids until there is a standard for scoring. With comparative scoresheets and subjective interpretation of even things like difficulty, you can't just use scores to determine bids. Now if a 2nd place team had gotten a bid over a 1st place team in the exact same division, now that I wouldn't agree with. But I think reviewing the routines to determine who should get the bids instead of going solely by score is the best way to do it right now.
     
  15. GrkChrGoddess

    GrkChrGoddess I'm new. Don't Hurt Me

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    are the scores visible for BATC, cause I've looked everywhere and can't seem to find them?