Superman Star Basket?

Discussion in 'Is this legal?' started by MzLyn23, Mar 17, 2015.

  1. MzLyn23

    MzLyn23 I think I can mix Cheer Music

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    Is this legal for recreation cheer following NFHS/AACCA rules (this is for a 9th and under team which currently does level 3 and 4 stunts following USASF but they are competing this weekend i believe having to following high school rules.... (this is not them... just a video on youtube i found that is the exact toss they want to do... also do you think it would be better than a kick single.... my opinion no it wouldn't but thats my opinion)


    thanks for the help!!!

     
  2. cheermommaRN

    cheermommaRN Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Oh God why would they want to?! The kick single is much safer. First the impact of the flyer coming down prone...so many opportunities for injury, either by catching wrong or a drop to the floor would be devastating. There is also the possibility of the flyer being caught to inverted and getting a safety deduction.
     
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  3. MzLyn23

    MzLyn23 I think I can mix Cheer Music

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    I had the same thoughts but wanted to be sure... lol.... I'm not the coach but one of the parents that help is a friend and I'm kind of glad she called me to ask first.... I recommended the kick single 100% over that toss but I wanted to be sure for myself that I wasn't taking points away maybe for difficulty...
     
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    arispurplecheerkitty I nugget in the back

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    I think it's illegal but I'm not sure with the ruling because don't you have to catch in a cradle? Or is that USAF? I don't know really sorry...
     
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    I think it looks neat
     
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    lclelan They call me Susie

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    definitely not legal for any USASF level.
     
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    thetank I Fierce Board instead of work/study

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    Honestly have no idea if its legal or not but i really think it looks cool
     
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    SarahS Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Not legal, because it doesn't fall under the allowed releases in 11: Unless listed below, a Release Stunt must either be cradled or connected to at least one bracer. (It isn't listed below, it doesn't end in a cradle which is defined as flyer face up, and it isn't braced so it isn't legal. )
     
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    MzLyn23 I think I can mix Cheer Music

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    Thank you, Just gave her the heads up even though I told her not to do it. Hopefully she didn't and it will save her time in changing it...
     
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    retiredl5cheer Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I wish people read the rules before they tried new elements. There's a reason things are illegal.
     
  11. FamousxMindset

    FamousxMindset Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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  12. FamousxMindset

    FamousxMindset Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    This is one of the reasons most rules book need to be revised, they aren't the easiest things to follow along with. We live in a digital world, there should be much more than a handful of videos online concerning legalities. Especially when the difference between winning and losing could be hand placement.
     
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    retiredl5cheer Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Fair enough. There are definitely parts of the rules that can be tricky. Some of it really just requires a coach to read though.

    Per USASF rules:

    B. Tosses must be performed with all bases having their feet on the performing surface and must land in a cradle position. Top person must be caught in a cradle position by at least 3 original bases one of which is positioned at the head and shoulder area of the top person. Bases must remain stationary during the toss.

    Per AACCA rules:
    1. In all single-based tosses that land in a stunt all of the following rules apply:
      1. The top person must land on the original base.
      2. The toss may not be directed so that the base must travel to catch the top person.
      3. The top person cannot travel over or under another person.
      4. The top person cannot be caught in a prone position.
    As a coach who tries very hard to make sure my elements are legal, it just frustrates me when other coaches put their kids in danger by not understanding the rules and trying illegal/unsafe elements.
     
  14. MzLyn23

    MzLyn23 I think I can mix Cheer Music

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    I completely agree that rules should be read thoroughly. As a coach I can say that some of the wording can get confusing. also the team asking me for advice was a local recreation team and many teams around here don't follow aacca or usasf but NFhs and I personally have had a tough time finding those rules. The video is not the team asking me either. I found that on YouTube based on how it was described to me. I of course before even posting told them I was almost 100% sure it wasn't legal but a superman dismount from a stunt (not basket) is ok if the flyer is braced by one base/spotter for example the back holding ankles based on the level stunts they're doing (level 3/4 kinda). Again this was for rec. I just don't want anyone to think the coaches are incompetent because as a previous coach for rec its a pain in the butt keeping up with all the different rules and changes especially for comps. Many don't follow same rules so every week something is getting changed. They wanted to try something different but not risk a deduction but also not lose points for not having difficulty or creativeness. It was their way of thinking outside the box.
     
  15. retiredl5cheer

    retiredl5cheer Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I gotcha. I absolutely understand and I think those coaches took good steps to understand if they're stunt was legal -- they asked you! I'm not going to lie, rec down here in MD is pretty scary at times. I think that's given me a bad impression as well. EEK.