Twerk Ban

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  1. Cheermom1969

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    I bow down to you, JAM, for saying exactly how I feel! :cheering: (we need a nice English bowing emoji!!)

     
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    I'm skipping class today, so what better way to spend my hooky day than on Fierce Board gettin' my blood pressure up? :p Oh...that's not good? Ok, I'm also going to get a pedicure and going running. Next 5K is 6 weeks from Friday! :eek::help:
     
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    Huh. I guess I lack creativity, but I genuinely don't understand the mechanics of how a couple would actually be able to maintain the stability needed to do that sort of sexual activity if one or both of the partners were to actually start twerking in any of its forms.

    I understand that in certain contexts, twerking can be an activity that's meant to further entice someone sexually But I have yet to see a compelling argument for why twerking in itself is an objectively more sexual activity than shimmying, facials, a chest pop, or splits. In fact, splits in the air (which seems to be viewed as particularly innocuous among the cheer community) is an activity that can actually draw attention towards a part of the body that is both biologically and culturally sexual, unlike the rear end.

    I genuinely admire how you treat the purpose of your uniforms, which is why I would understand if the ban had been on pictures of athletes in immodest clothing in general. If modesty is the issue, then the context in which twerking is being performed, not the twerking itself, is once again the problem.

    [Also, I wanted to add that not everyone DOES personally know you or your gym--that's the only reason why I recommended being careful about how you worded the religious reasoning for the ban. Certain phrasing can come off the wrong way for people who only know that the gym purports to have a Christian influence.]
     
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    Yes. People are actually arguing that twerking isn't sexual. I know, I know--the IQ (idiot quotient) on fb is on the rise.



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    Well, one, yes you do apparently lack creativity. ;)

    Two, just for the sake of argument, I googled twerking and shimmying to see how the internet world would define them for someone who wasn't familiar with either. I found about 25 definitions for each.

    One definition of shimmying even remotely implied that it was meant to entice or use the breasts in any way. And that was about the 5th one down on urban dictionary.
    Every single definition of twerking I could find had the word sexual, stripper, arousal, slutty, or lascivious in it. Not particularly words I'm looking for when describing young teenage girls that I know (or worse, gave birth to).

    But to each their own. If you think it's cute and artistic then have at it. Just don't sign up to cheer at T&S and you should be good to go.
     
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    As the main poster defending twerking, I'd like to point out I never said twerking can't be, or isn't sexual. All I've said is that the context of the dance carries considerably more importance than the dance itself, as is the situation with a score of other cheer-related activities.

    But sure, feel free to ignore my actual argument and resort to name-calling instead.
     
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    Hey if the shoe fits....

    Deep thoughts on twerking to be continued.


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    ...So we shouldn't drop that thun thun thun anymore?
     
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    First off, I genuinely want to thank you for taking the time to find some actual evidence against my argument. It's a breath of a fresh air.

    Part of the problem with relying on Internet definitions is that you don't know who they're being written by, or the motivations for why the author phrased things in a particular manner. I would argue that the internet definitions aren't particularly well thought out, and fail to take into consideration that there are plenty of different styles of twerking. Since twerking is still relatively new to the pop culture scene, people are eager to define it by its controversy; they probably don't feel the need to look at the movements objectively. If the Internet were around in the 50s, I'm sure you would find that the majority of people would define "The Twist" in the same way as people nowadays seem to be defining "The Twerk".

    I honestly couldn't care less if Twist and Shout were to ban their athletes from wearing Mickey Mouse socks; how they control their athletes is their prerogative. What does concern me are the arguments that people are using to defend the ban--I felt (and continue to feel) it necessary to point out that it's a problem when arguments are rooted in pure emotion and illegitimate biases rather than objectivity and critical thinking.
     
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    what I can't stand the most is when there are these big groups of 9 and 10 year olds at competitions having what they called their "twerk party"


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  12. MyGirlCheers

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    Responding to the above highlight.

    Actually, you're wrong. It's believed by biologists/anthropologists/psychologists that rounded buttocks evolved into a desirable trait because they provide a visual indication of the woman's youth and fertility. They signal the presence of estrogen and the presence of sufficient fat stores for pregnancy and lactation. Additionally, the buttocks give an indication of the shape and size of the pelvis, which impacts reproductive capability. In other primates, females display their buttocks when ready for mating. It's theorized that human women's breasts and cleavage are sexual because they developed to mimic the shape of the buttock since human's walk upright.

    So basically twerking is the primal way of saying "I'm ready to mate" biologically speaking.
     
  13. mccracal

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    Speaking as someone who's actually taken several college courses on evolutionary biology and psychology, while there are lots of hypotheses for the evolutionary benefit for women's curves (whether it be rear ends, hips, legs, breasts, etc.), there isn't much actual scientific evidence that supports much of any of the claims. A large problem with evolutionary psychology is that it focuses more on looking back and creating plausible-sounding stories to fill in the gaps than on finding actual scientific evidence to support those ideas.
     
  14. MyGirlCheers

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    Are you suggesting I haven't?

    I'm betting there's more scientific evidence to support the claim that the buttocks is sexual than there is to support your argument that it isn't. I'd be happy to read any links you can provide to scholarly articles supporting your position.
     
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