When You Don't Have Full Team Tumbling...

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  1. schpo

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    CP’s team does not have full team tumbling. In fact, only about 1/4 of the team has the required tumbling for the level, and some of it is pretty janky. It’s a xs team. Please help me understand the impact this has on scoring. Thanks!

     
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    cfwp.cheerleader Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    What division?
     
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    18-19VAS_Scoring_System.pdf

    If the tumbling is janky, the technique score will be lower. The amount of kids you need with the tumbling depends on exactly how many are on the team. However if only 1/4 have the required skills, the score will be in the "below" range.

    Why isn't the team a S1?
     
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    Thanks. I wish it was an S1. The gym has some strategic reason for keeping it at level 2 but I don’t understand it 100%.

    CP tells me they are only scored on the tumbling they do have (so if 3/4 of the team are nuggeting/doing something else, that’s no big deal). However, I’m pretty sure she’s misunderstanding.
     
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    I see that you are in Canada. Do you use the USASF scoring system? In my reply to you I linked the USASF scoring system. Check it out. If you are scored with that, it shows very clearly that your tumbling scores are determined not only by the technique of the skill, but the score is also determined by the amount of kids performing the skill.

    How many are on your daughters team?
     
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    Yes, USASF. Although it looks like you linked the Varsity info? There are 12. Four have the required tumbling.
     
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    Cheer Canada scoring is basically Varsity scoring I think. Technique is scored based on what you do, but difficulty depends on the number of athletes doing a level appropriate pass.

    You can get away with four athletes in running tumbling, but not so much in standing, because, to score over 4.0, you need a synchronized pass performed by the majority which, in your case, is 6. You also need the exact same skills in that pass. You can settle for 3.5 to 4.0, but you need 7 passes (they don't have to be sync though).

    This year, points are taken away for each driver on the sheet. So the four tumblers (and mostly the coaches) better be aware of what the judges are looking for. Janky can cost a lot, especially if there are athlete falls on top of that.
     
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    Thanks, I didn’t realize that.
     
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    If you have more than most jumping/tumbling or full squad jump/tumbling, is there any advantage? Meaning if you need 12 to get most and you have 16 out of 21 or all 21 jumping/tumbling, is there any more added to the score?
     
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    Jumps is a set difficulty score. If you meet the required numbers, you get the 5.0. But with tumbling, more athletes completing skills, especially in large synchronized groups, can bump your difficulty score up.