Discussion in 'Discussing the Cheerleading Industry' started by cheersafety, Jun 25, 2010.
Competitive from Sideline.
Kimberly Archie from the National Cheer Safety Foundation.
On that note, may I ask that people who want others to know who they are put it in their signature. I know many people has said who they are someplace on this board, but sometimes it's hard to remember and/or find where it was said.
thank you for answering my question. Now my next question would be could QU not rework their budget to include both teams (cheer and volleyball) just like the other schools have clearly reworked ways to include cheer as well as keep their other sports already in existence? Instead of eliminating one team why not find a way to have both so that both sets of athletes can have the benefits of being a varsity sport that they strive to be?
I know that people are talking about whether cheer is a sport but wouldn't it solve the court case for both parties if the school reworked their athletic department. If they were to do that then it would be fair on both sides and would not have a negative effect on cheer becoming a recognized sport in the future (which many think it could if the outcome sides with the volleyball team). If the other 6 universities can manage to do it without problems then there has to be a way QU can fix the situation for both sides.
Although I don't speak for the program it is my understanding that there are not any plans to cancel the competitive cheer team win or lose.
The university is interested in how to best allocate funds yes I think the vollyball team should be given a fair shot, but the issue is they only hold a limited number of girls (11?) whereas cheerleading teams could hold 40+ if I gave you $50,000 and said offer athletic activities for boys would it make more since to fund a basketball team where only 10 people could make the team or a football team that could have 50+ players. This is the same prinicple QU used the issue is they never had to compare the two until they decided to call cheerleading a sport hence dipping from the same pot of funds
Im not sure why Jeff Webb would agree to testify but i do know how lawyers work, and you can be completely against a person and want them to lose yet your testimony could actually aid them in winning. For example if they told him according to title IX where it states ...... does cheerleading fit this criteria, he would have to say no if that was the truth in that context, then the question might be so can we say that cheerleading is a sport, and he would have to say no if it was the truth in that context. I am not saying that happened I am only saying that I can see how he could be coercied to provide validation to the plantiff even if it doesnt support his personal opinions, he may have only been stating facts not beliefs
and I hope that they don't cancel the cheer team, but i still would really like to see the Volleyball team back at the school. I know that this is a cheerleading forum, but I feel just as bad for those volleyball players for having their sport taken away as I would if they took a cheerleading team from a school. It is a really sticky mess that no sport should ever have to go through so I truly hope that they can come to conclusion where they can help both sides so there are no lost athletes on either side.
In reference to the case (and I am insanely late to this party, for my RL work I apologize)..I also have a question about the actual competitiveness of the volleyball squad. Having played both, I am disheartened that a college should have to ever come to this decision. But an important note is exactly HOW competitive is this volleyball squad. We're all assuming that because volleyball is a sport and they plan in a set number of regulated matches that they are 'competitive,' which is technically true. But I want to know if they are REALLY competitive: their win-loss record over the last few years, their recruitment pool, and are those girls holding their own on a court. If the program is floundering, if they are losing numbers while other sports are maintaining or growing (as seems to be the case with this cheer squad), then I can very much see why they were pulled. As the face of the university (from a marketing standpoint), which is a better sell: the average team or the team who's up-and-coming, making strides, etc (which could very well be this volleyball team, I'm not familiar with them)? Just because they're a 'sport', doesn't mean it's worth paying for. Same goes for any allstar squad..
QU volleyball 2009-2010 season: won 4 out of 29 matches. Further breakdown: won 18 out of 105 games.
well this puts this whole argument in different perspective....
Ok, but even if we decide to call what we do "sport cheer", Jeff Webb STILL testified against QU's "sport cheer" team, correct?? He testified that their competitive program was not a sport. So I'm still stuck in all this mess of confusion...
If he had testified specifically that their sideline cheerleaders didn't qualify as a sport, then I would have no concerns as I would most definitely agree. But no matter how much we try to rationalize this out, he still testified regarding the comp program.
He testified 'cheerleading' is not a sport. It's not. It's a sideline activity. What we do is Sport Cheer.
So if they asked if Sport Cheer is a sport there is less holding the sport back. There is no sidelines. There is no name confusion.
So when asked is Sport Cheer a sport? Why could anyone say its not?
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He testified that the Quinnipiac University competitive cheer team is not a sport.
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