Why Don't Teams Get A Cut Of The Profit.

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  1. Michael White

    Michael White I text ACEDAD all the time

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    I was just wondering about this today. I do my first acrobatics gig next week, and I will be paid fairly well for it. The place hosting the show will pay us for our act. Which makes me wonder, all of the money is for parents/fans to watch cheerleaders. Cheerleaders are the market, without them the show would not go on, shouldn't gyms get a cut? Did the EP/governing body always get everything? Or was there a turning point?

     
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    icequeen I have my own cheer message board

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    I say no. Mostly because gyms are paying the EP to perform at their event. Gyms have the option of where they will perform.
     
  3. Eyes On The Prize

    Eyes On The Prize Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    The difference is youre getting paid to go and put on a show and cheerleaders go to compete. The EP provides a service for the cheerleaders like you are providing a service for whoever is paying you to perform.
     
  4. ScottyB

    ScottyB I'm an announcer on CBS for Worlds (or should be)

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    The difference is competition versus performance/entertainment.

    You're doing an acro gig, not doing an acro competition.
    Also amateur sports rules still should be in effect since its a youth sport
     
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    tumbleyoda Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Which begs this question....

    Since the now stated goal is to get cheerleading into the Olympics, they are very strict rules on paying athletes to perform, especially under age athletes. Being paid makes them a professional. At last remembrance this rule was still heavily enforced in the gymnastics world, which is where cheerelading is most commonly compared to. There are different rules in place for baseball, basketball, tennis, etc. How do we square the full paid bids which have historically stated to go TO THE ATHLETE to attend said events? Under current rules athletes that have received paid bids and performed at Worlds and Summit could be potentially disqualified from Olympic team consideration.

    Things to think about.
     
  6. MyNameIsConnorC

    MyNameIsConnorC I think I can mix Cheer Music

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    Professional (paid/sponsored) athletes are allowed to compete in the olympics. Its the NCAA that has issues with sponsorship and amatuerism (which makes some sort of sense for basketball and football, but almost no other sport. Different thread. I digress.)
     
  7. Michael White

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    I can understand why the teams would have to pay for the venue, and the EP should be paid for that, but the argument could be made that other sports are different than other sports with similar crowds. Do college basketball/ football teams (i.e. Universities) get part of ticket sales when they play in foreign venues?
     
  8. Michael White

    Michael White I text ACEDAD all the time

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    And what about high school championships in the south that have crowds of multi tens of thousands?
     
  9. Eyes On The Prize

    Eyes On The Prize Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    To the best of my knowledge, collegiate players do not get any money from anything no matter what the sport because then theyd be considered professional players.

    They are elligable for scholarships depending on the school and sport. And they can get free gear and free travel/accomodations if the school is willing to pay for it/the team makes a lot of money for the school.

    Individual cheerleaders can get paid for endorsements but i dont think its right for athletes to get paid to compete. They are not providing any service to anyone.

    I cant even think of many high profile olympians (USA athletes bc thats what im familiar with) who get paid to compete unless they already are involved with a professional sports team (basketball and soccer for example). Michael Phelps, Lochte, Gabby Douglas, Simone Biles, etc all get paid through endorsements and appearences - they dont get paid to compete or to train.
     
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    Is there an amateur governing body?
     
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    Gyms do get a cut if they attend Varsity competitions.
     
  12. ScottyB

    ScottyB I'm an announcer on CBS for Worlds (or should be)

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    Indeed. Definitely opens a can of worms that many in this industry are not ready for.

    All those little girl instagram accounts where they hustle rebel bags and rock your hair products? That would be an NCAA Violation, idk about IOC though. Lots of potential issues!
     
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    ScottyB I'm an announcer on CBS for Worlds (or should be)

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    I don't believe one exists that includes cheerleading, which is why I put the 'should' in italics because if cheerleaders ever want NCATA or STUNT to be an NCAA sport, they will have to follow amateur rules
     
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    There is no amateur governing body for cheer, only USA Cheer and USAF which both are run by entities that have vested interests in the businesses that benefit from the sport. A true amateur governing body would be run by membership (non business membership) and participants in the sport only.

    NCAA already gave the criteria somewhere around summer of 2011 on what they aspected for NCATA and STUNT to be considered emerging varsity sports status and to meet Title IX. NCATA meets the criteria, STUNT does not. Stunt tried again in 2014 and was denied.
     
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    Rebel bags? Rock your hair products? Are you leaving anybody out?
     
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