Young Tumbler Working On A Full

Discussion in 'Skills' started by HappyGirls, Apr 28, 2016.

  1. HappyGirls

    HappyGirls Last Pass... on International Open 1

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2016
    Messages:
    114
    Shimmys Received:
    171
    Location:
    Maryland
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    Start

     
    Last edited: May 9, 2016
  2. oncecoolcoachnowmom

    oncecoolcoachnowmom Bestest Newbie '14

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2014
    Messages:
    5,460
    Shimmys Received:
    17,181
    I am a(n)...:
    Coach
    Wait.

    Your kid has a full at six and has been tumbling for a year?

    What is the rush, exactly?

    When someone tells me that their kid has that many skills at that age, I generally assume that skills are being rushed and technique is being compromised in some way.
     
  3. cheer25mom

    cheer25mom Slow your roll, Sparkle.

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2011
    Messages:
    3,500
    Shimmys Received:
    5,770
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    She shouldn't be working on that full until her punch front, standing tuck, and layout are 100%. As in the layout is a perfect, high, hollow body layout with NO piking whatsoever, tucks are landed cleanly 100% of the time, and she has a punch front she can step out of and tumble through to that near perfect layout. As a parent I wouldn't be allowing a 6 year old who has been tumbling less than 2 years to work a full regardless. They are not physically or emotionally ready. I would worry about the very high risk of injury.
     
  4. HappyGirls

    HappyGirls Last Pass... on International Open 1

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2016
    Messages:
    114
    Shimmys Received:
    171
    Location:
    Maryland
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    Thank you both for your replies...to answer your question there is no rush
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2016
  5. HappyGirls

    HappyGirls Last Pass... on International Open 1

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2016
    Messages:
    114
    Shimmys Received:
    171
    Location:
    Maryland
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    Please excuse the typos--trying to type while playing with baby--an exercise in futility!
     
  6. HappyGirls

    HappyGirls Last Pass... on International Open 1

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2016
    Messages:
    114
    Shimmys Received:
    171
    Location:
    Maryland
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    Thank you for your response--can I ask why the punch front and standing tuck before the full--the layout I get... (This is not me arguing a point, just asking as someone with no cheer background.) Thanks again.
     
  7. Churizlyfe1111

    Churizlyfe1111 They call me Susie

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    Messages:
    35
    Shimmys Received:
    78
    Kik:
    Level 1 on the fierceboard... 5 in the gym
    I am a(n)...:
    Industry Professional
    Once she is bored and has a perfect layout then I recommend to start twisting a half and once mastered then try to full. Progressing too quickly is a very easy way to gain a mental block so there should be no rush. For the standing tuck tell her to push through her toes and leg muscles, make sure she is getting a full swing, and I recommend grabbing your legs under to pull when first learning. A punch front is less of a deal in my opinion and is a skill that many bust at first and then progress. But a full should absolutely not just be went for without progression. A full is a skill that just had to click and with hard work and dedication she will have it in no time.
     
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2016
  8. cheer25mom

    cheer25mom Slow your roll, Sparkle.

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2011
    Messages:
    3,500
    Shimmys Received:
    5,770
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    It goes to strength in the core and muscles that support the leg joints and rotational technique, the ability to "save" a twist that goes awry rather than tear an ACL. Plus a little bit more experience and technique under their belt. The full is a much riskier skill in terms of catastrophic injury, so they want them to be as ready as possible. If they are piking the layout landing on the floor AT ALL or cannot consistently rotate froward and backward without landing properly and not stressing the knees, the risk of injury throwing a full increases dramatically.
     
    • Shimmy Shimmy x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • List
  9. cheermommaRN

    cheermommaRN Slow your roll, Sparkle.

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2009
    Messages:
    3,863
    Shimmys Received:
    9,868
    Location:
    Arlington, TX
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    She needs to careful when she does her BHS that she doesn't bend her arms so much, she should be pushing through her shoulders not the arms. My cp progresses at a regular rate even after being a TOPS gymnast so I have no suggestions for the fact she's getting bored.
    As a new poster I would be careful handing out negative ratings, people take them very seriously around here.
     
    • Shimmy Shimmy x 18
    • Like Like x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • List
  10. HappyGirls

    HappyGirls Last Pass... on International Open 1

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2016
    Messages:
    114
    Shimmys Received:
    171
    Location:
    Maryland
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    I would be careful handing out negative ratings, people take them very seriously around here.[/QUOTE]

    umm...please tell me why you think I handed out a negative rating??? If I did it is a mistake...how do I fix it???
     
  11. cheermommaRN

    cheermommaRN Slow your roll, Sparkle.

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2009
    Messages:
    3,863
    Shimmys Received:
    9,868
    Location:
    Arlington, TX
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    Near the top of this post you rated @oncecoolcoachnowmom's post a "gossip"...around here that is considered a negative rating. People accidently hit the wrong one all the time but if someone receives to many negatives they get banned from the board for 24 hours, so people take them pretty seriously.
     
  12. HappyGirls

    HappyGirls Last Pass... on International Open 1

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2016
    Messages:
    114
    Shimmys Received:
    171
    Location:
    Maryland
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    umm...please tell me why you think I handed out a negative rating??? If I did it is a mistake...how do I fix it???[/QUOTE]

    Never mind--I found it and fixed it! So sorry oncecoolcoachnowmom!! Thanks cheermommaRN for pointing that out!
     
  13. luv2cheer92

    luv2cheer92 Moderator Staff Member Bracket Winner Video Curator

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Messages:
    8,350
    Shimmys Received:
    13,992
    Location:
    DFW
    Web:
    I am a(n)...:
    Athlete
    Yes to the pink font.
     
  14. HappyGirls

    HappyGirls Last Pass... on International Open 1

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2016
    Messages:
    114
    Shimmys Received:
    171
    Location:
    Maryland
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    Thank you all so much for the replies.
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2016
  15. THEJOEL

    THEJOEL Slow your roll, Sparkle.

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2012
    Messages:
    1,107
    Shimmys Received:
    2,747
    Location:
    Augusta, GA
    Twitter:
    Thejoel1313
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    Welcome to the board @HappyGirls
    My CP started tumbling at 3, janky BHS at 4, solid stand and multiple well performed BHS at 5, tucks standing&running at 6, whip aka a janky layout at 7, solid layout&punch front at 8 and she is currently 9 with a full. Currently working specialty to full and its whipping her. So similar age range with skills.
    To answer your questions.
    1)My CP worked her layout for a solid year. They hammered her with it so much her full actually came quick. A beautiful layout generally makes that full easier to acquire.
    2) The punch front, to me, is one of the hardest skills to not only perform but perfect. It needs to be perfect on the trampoline and rod floor before it goes to the floor. So it could take a while.
    3) I don't manage her skill acquisition. I've always taken tumbling for granted when it comes to my CP because that's what she does and she is damn good at it. I actually like to see her struggle on certain skills because it teaches to work harder and not take it for granted. Explain to her there is no rush, you're six, I'm proud of you and have fun.

    We really need to see a more recent video.
    I see a ton of mechanical issues with every part of that tumbling pass. There is no way she went from that to very solid skills in 6 months.
    She isn't loading properly in the RO. Look at her leg placement at the end of it. Every solid pass is built from a RO that needs to be fixed.
    Her arms are bent, her legs are bent and her legs are apart in the BHS.
    She is not setting in her tuck at all. It should be up and over not back and over.

    "Perfection before progression" on lower level skills equals beautiful higher level skills with less of a chance of injury.
     
    • Shimmy Shimmy x 13
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • List