All-Star New Venue For Worlds 2012

[KaileyFierce]

Then those competitions would be like worlds because EVERYONE would be going to get a bid. In addition to all the people who are there for levels 1-4. And add Jamfest Indy to that list.

Then those competitions would be like worlds because EVERYONE would be going to get a bid. In addition to all the people who are there for levels 1-4. And add Jamfest Indy to that list.

No because all the California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Washington teams would go to the one in California.

All the Texas teams and all teams in that area would go too Dallas

And all the east coast area teams would go to Atlanta.

No Jamfest Indy

ONLY 3 competitions. It wouldnt be any different from Dallas or Atlanta now just that you have to go there go get a worlds bid and let me erasure at those competitions the ones who deserve to be at worlds will be there when your competing against the best there's no way you can get handed a bid because all teams have one already when all the best teams will be there getting one as their only competition they can get one. THEN at worlds the best of the best will compete against each other from the west coast, Midwest and east coast


Sorry this was so long

 

[KaileyFierce]

Day 1 (Small Sr & Limited Coed)
20 Teams compete

Day 2
Top 10 battle it out

THAT IS REAL COMPETITION.

 

[uwont4getme]

anyone remember the very first year of worlds when the only teams that went were the teams that one the major national competitions? winners of UCA, NCA, maybe Cheersport and a few other biggies. THAT was worlds. THAT was the BEST Of the BEST! maybe we should revisit that and go back to that structure or something similar.

 

[KaileyFierce]

Very true!! ^^^ but it's all about MONEY now.

 

[lolsmileyface_backAGAIN]

Very true!! ^^^ but it's all about MONEY now.

SHIMMY SHIMMY SHIMMY ! <3

 

[simplymom]

I don't think limiting the venues where bids are handed out is a good idea. I think the solution is a universal score sheet with a "base score" where a team can receive a bid. I'm a big fan of the universal score sheet. It seems that teams need to continually change their routine to max out different ep's score sheets.

 

[srt418]

Ok this is what I have been thinking that adresses a combination of problems we have been discussing on the boards:
-USASF regulates when to start season and when to end it. Let's say gyms can't have tryouts until (at the earliest) May 1st.
- First competition in December
-Last competition in March
-Worlds at end of march.

Why?
-This would limit the # of pointless competitions that no one goes to but maybe like 5 gyms. You know, those competitions where the majority of your teams at your gym are the only ones competing in their division.
-This would make the season a little shorter. Hopefully leading to less injuries.
-less competitions = less bids (hopefully)
-Worlds wouldn't be at the end of semesters for schools. Many people have important tests in high school and college. It's difficult to focus on both.
-Cheerleaders need to have an off-season. This would at least start a 2month off-season. lol. It would be their choice if they want to go to tumbling classes or whatever, as long as it isn't a team class or practice.
- Force the coaches to have their team ready by August since the season ends in March. I feel like it would also weed out bad teams that wouldn't be ready because of other reasons (didn't take summer seriously, coaches didn't prepare them well enough, etc.)

I think this kind of season schedule addresses lots of problems that we have been discussing. I feel like worlds is way too late in the season, too many teams attend it, and our season needs to change. Thoughts?

 

[k.woow]

I remember competing at worlds 2006 & 2007 when we had a practice on day 1 & competed day 2. That was cuz we had a full paid bid and the unlimited coed division on finas was small I miss that worlds. Not the free for all anyone can go worlds! Any team who scores under 230 wasn't fully ready for worlds this year. JMO

 

[yojaehs]

I don't think limiting the venues where bids are handed out is a good idea. I think the solution is a universal score sheet with a "base score" where a team can receive a bid. I'm a big fan of the universal score sheet. It seems that teams need to continually change their routine to max out different ep's score sheets.

Why?

 

[notimeforthat]

all of you that had a partial or full paid..... the money did not fall from the sky. It came from all those teams that attended that comp that had a low calibar level 5 that brought their entire program with the hopes for an at large. It is all dollars and cents. If they did not give partials and full paids out then I am sure that less bids would be offered. It is .....the circle of life....lol
Disney wants the more the merrier to purchase mickey ears and hopper passes and overpriced food.... They themselves are marketing genuises. It is a win win for all except for the people sitting in the Milkhouse not leaving their seats for the sake of them being taken.
It's almost like celebrating the 4th of July on January 7th... Worlds = Disney in the Allstar community.

 

[yojaehs]

all of you that had a partial or full paid..... the money did not fall from the sky. It came from all those teams that attended that comp that had a low calibar level 5 that brought their entire program with the hopes for an at large. It is all dollars and cents. If they did not give partials and full paids out then I am sure that less bids would be offered. It is .....the circle of life....lol
Disney wants the more the merrier to purchase mickey ears and hopper passes and overpriced food.... They themselves are marketing genuises. It is a win win for all except for the people sitting in the Milkhouse not leaving their seats for the sake of them being taken.
It's almost like celebrating the 4th of July on January 7th... Worlds = Disney in the Allstar community.

Um, no. The money for the full/partial paid bids has NOTHING to do with ANY attendance AT Worlds. It has to do with the attendance at that company's event. I agree the reason bids are not limited is bc of money, its garbage. But you know what, whatever. If USASF is not going to limit the bids then they need to SHUT UP and keep their mouth shut when the venues are over crowded. There is NO WAY that ANYONE should EVER be asked to LEAVE a venue and watch it on a TV.

 

[ohkcheery]

Okay, so I think we need to establish reason here. Do you want to move Worlds because it's fair to split up time and costs between East and West coasts? Or do you want to move it because of the # of people coming and the fact that it's crowded?

Limiting the # of competitions that give out bids would actually harm the cheer-conomy more than help it. You want as many companies as you can giving out paid bids, otherwise a lot of teams wouldn't be able to afford to get there (I'm assuming). If you take away a bid from a company, they are not going to want to support USASF and would more than likely lose their major source of income (their Bid competition) because people won't want to go if they don't have a chance at something.

Limiting the number of bids wouldn't necessarily fly with everyone, but limiting the way you give out bids could help a bit. Say a team has to meet a point threshold to be eligible for a bid - not just the winning team in a division. Say a team has to earn X% of the maximum number of points to be eligible for a full paid bid. A little lower % for partial, and even lower % for at-large. However, I will say this to play devil's advocate --every team has an off day. So what if all teams in a division had issues one weekend and scored super low? Would you be okay with WCSS or Orange not receiving a bid during a season because they only had 3 chances (if there were only 3 locations to get a bid) and had an off day and couldn't meet the point limit?

It may be about money, but it has a right to be. It's a business like any other - the MLB, NFL, NCAA, etc. You want to get awareness out there but you don't want to pay for it? That's not gonna fly. Disney makes a TON of money off of Worlds and I wouldn't be surprised for them to put up a huge fight if USASF/IASF wanted to try to move it. People get excited about Disney because its OMG DISNEY. There aren't too many places in the world that have a draw like that. Move the competition to somewhere random and people stop bringing their kids/friends/whatever because who wants to go to Kansas City or Seattle with a group where there isn't too much that would interest a family with kids under 10? or 5? I think that it would be fair to switch coasts just so the West Coast kids get a break in their jet lag and their wallets and on that reason alone I think it's enough to say it should be switched every year. BUT it needs to be realized that changing something this large could have a major impact on the sport as a whole.

In other news, there NEEDS to be a universal score sheet, but that's beating a dead horse. I think everyone agrees on that point.

 

[notimeforthat]

Um, no. The money for the full/partial paid bids has NOTHING to do with ANY attendance AT Worlds. It has to do with the attendance at that company's event. I agree the reason bids are not limited is bc of money, its garbage. But you know what, whatever. If USASF is not going to limit the bids then they need to SHUT UP and keep their mouth shut when the venues are over crowded. There is NO WAY that ANYONE should EVER be asked to LEAVE a venue and watch it on a TV.

I agree that no one should be asked to leave an event and watch it on TV.... I would be FURIOUS!!
But again the attendance is where the money comes from..... those teams that have the at large bids got them because all us specatators paid a crazy attendance fee because our entire program had to go to thier comp so our not true level 5 team could get an at large bid..... (which is how the paid bids got the free ride) without our money thier would be no free ride is what I'm saying. I agree with you that the bids should be limited but my argument (which isn't even an argument) would be it would effect the $$ to the deserving teams.

 

[simplymom]

Why?

2 reasons:

1. I think the problem can be solved with a universal score sheet with a "base score." I believe that all teams this year earned, yes earned, the right to attend Worlds under the current rules. I do understand people's frustrations with the bids process. Nearing the end of the season, it is possible for a 8th, 9th, 10th place team to earn a "handed down" bid. A base score would solve that problem.

2. One of the above posters offered the idea of limiting bid opportunities to Dallas, California and Atlanta. If an excellent team attends one of those 3 and happens to have an off weekend...no bid, no Worlds. (It happens. Even to the best teams.) The only way to secure a bid would be to add a competition. I live in the Midwest. To add a competition to California or Dallas would be a HUGE additional expense. We are talking a thousand dollars or more. What about Jamfest in Indy? IMO That competition is a valid event to earn a bid. I think by limiting bid opportunities to a few events is going to the opposite extreme of the current system.

 

[cheeracheetahs2011]

limiting bids would not be a great idea, great talent might get missed out on.