All-Star Cheerleaders Season 3?

[Cheer Dad]

The fact that all of these teams have little to none home grown talent bothers me.

What is wrong with a becoming a hugely successful gym that people willingly want to be a part of?

 

[FamousxMindset]

What is wrong with a becoming a hugely successful gym that people willingly want to be a part of?

If I have been working with suzy for years, conditioning her, drilling technique, helping her gain confidence in her tumbling I would like to the fruits of my labor in my programs uniform. Little gyms are little gyms because as soon as the kids get the big skills they leave that program never giving it a chance to grow. TG didnt open their doors and have squad doubles the first day, it took time and LOYAL athletes to get them there.

 

[njallday]

If I have been working with suzy for years, conditioning her, drilling technique, helping her gain confidence in her tumbling I would like to the fruits of my labor in my programs uniform. Little gyms are little gyms because as soon as the kids get the big skills they leave that program never giving it a chance to grow. TG didnt open their doors and have squad doubles the first day, it took time and LOYAL athletes to get them there.

what do you consider a "homegrown" athlete? depending on geography, i'd say a huge percentage of kids who start the sport tiny/mini/youth age have switched gyms at least once. is homegrown never stepping foot in another gym? only one other gym? going through the ranks of youth -> junior -> senior at your gym? junior -> senior? i'm not asking to be argumentative or anything but this definitely varies depending who you ask and i just like to hear what other people think.

obviously a 16/17/18 year old flying cross country is not home grown no matter how you spin it

 

[FlexyTumblerMom]

The "once they get really good they leave for somewhere else" phenomenon happens in other activities too. There are a number of gymnastics gyms and dance studios in my area that are the ones where all the kids who reach a higher level at the smaller gyms and studios leave for. In the case of the dance studios it's THEIR loyal customers that lose out because they get pushed to the back or the side to make room for all these new stars arriving from the smaller studios. When it comes to gymnastics, a lot of it is just due to coaching and facilities.

I see both sides of what Cali is doing. I'd really hope they'd pick from within their own program when the talent and skills are there, but they do have the right to look for the best there is too.

 

[FamousxMindset]

what do you consider a "homegrown" athlete? depending on geography, i'd say a huge percentage of kids who start the sport tiny/mini/youth age have switched gyms at least once. is homegrown never stepping foot in another gym? only one other gym? going through the ranks of youth -> junior -> senior at your gym? junior -> senior? i'm not asking to be argumentative or anything but this definitely varies depending who you ask and i just like to hear what other people think.

obviously a 16/17/18 year old flying cross country is not home grown no matter how you spin it

Ideally but youth-senior, but alot of people start the sport a little later. I understand traveling for your super senior year, but kids are switching programs every season its get ridiculous. Eddie and Orbie seem to be great coaches they have they have to knowledge to teach those elite skills. Sometimes as a coach you have to put in the extra work for certain athletes.

 

[Pebbles49]

NJallday, I don't know if you were only directing this question to FamousxMindset - But when I think of a homegrown athlete, I think of athletes who spent the majority of their formative years in 1 gym... Formative gym will be where these athletes were groomed and had learned all if not most of their lvl5 skills in 1 gym and move up in the divisions and levels within that 1 gym, not coming to another gym already fine-tuned and already polished to perform.

In my opinion, Eddie and Orby have the easiest jobs as coaches, how hard is this job, when you have a choice of the best athletes, no one to train and you can come up with the most intricate routines and have the athletes who can perform these things and if the athlete do not perform up to par at that time, instead of training them to be at that level, these coaches can just cut them and have a choice of 10 more athletes to replace them with. Smoed is like the USA 1st Olympic basketball team when they started allowing NBA players in the game - the best athletes in every position, why shouldn't they win Worlds over Brandon, I will be totally surprised if they did not win...

PS: Even in Jessica's situation, she sounds like a homegrown athlete and just needed extra training and coaching from these coaches to help with completing her double fulls, but since Smoed is not that team that work with athletes they only want already groomed athletes this is not going to happen...

 

[FlexyTumblerMom]

what do you consider a "homegrown" athlete? depending on geography, i'd say a huge percentage of kids who start the sport tiny/mini/youth age have switched gyms at least once. is homegrown never stepping foot in another gym? only one other gym? going through the ranks of youth -> junior -> senior at your gym? junior -> senior? i'm not asking to be argumentative or anything but this definitely varies depending who you ask and i just like to hear what other people think.

obviously a 16/17/18 year old flying cross country is not home grown no matter how you spin it

I think a home grown athlete is a kid who learned the majority of their fundamental skills at that place. You kind of need to look at it on a case by case basis, and even kids that move around a lot you can usually figure out who really made them what they are. In the case of cheer, it's usually the gym that taught them their round off back handspring, or where they initially learned to stunt up to level 3.

In gymnastics, it's usually where they learned their kip and round off backhandspring.

In dance, it's who taught them to turn and gave them their ballet foundation.

My CP would not be a home grown tumbler at her current cheer gym cause she came on w/ a lot of prior skills from gymnastics, but her friend on her same team DID learned all her tumbling there and is pretty good too. My CP will be a home grown stunter from her gym though cause she's learning all her fundamental stunting there.

 

[Cheer Dad]

If I have been working with suzy for years, conditioning her, drilling technique, helping her gain confidence in her tumbling I would like to the fruits of my labor in my programs uniform. Little gyms are little gyms because as soon as the kids get the big skills they leave that program never giving it a chance to grow. TG didnt open their doors and have squad doubles the first day, it took time and LOYAL athletes to get them there.

And if Susie never develops enough to belong on the highest level team do you place her there anyway because she is homegrown?

 

[FamousxMindset]

And if Susie never develops enough to belong on the highest level team do you place her there anyway because she is homegrown?

No.

 

[Pebbles49]

And if Susie never develops enough to belong on the highest level team do you place her there anyway because she is homegrown?

Of course not, but I think what people are trying to say are these coaches really willing to put the time into developing athletes, now that so many are flying in to be on the teams, what impact this is having on the homegrown athletes, who have potential...

This in my opinion is no different from a job, we all know that we appreciate a company more that search internally for employees high and low, even to the point of pairing these potential employees with Mentors before bringing someone in from the outside... I think, in many ways this can be a similar situation...

 

[FlexyTumblerMom]

Of course not, but I think what people are trying to say are these coaches really willing to put the time into developing athletes, now that so many are flying in to be on the teams, what impact this is having on the homegrown athletes, who have potential...

This in my opinion is no different from a job, we all know that we appreciate a company more that search internally for employees high and low, even to the point of pairing these potential employees with Mentors before bringing someone in from the outside... I think, in many ways this can be similar situation...

Good point about the job situation - I've worked at both types of companies. It's usually a culture thing as to which philosophy a company has. In my experience, companies who's first inclination is to hire someone from the outside whenever there is a need, usually have very high turnover (and are often takeover targets). They also view seniority as a negative quality and just generally aren't very good places to work. Interesting discussion.

 

[UCFKnights07]

i dont have a problem necessarily with what cali does finding talent. but at the same time what about all the lower level athletes in those gyms who want to be apart of level 5 teams. i mean i would hate to be an athlete who has spent 5 to 10 years with one program working on gaining those level 5 skills, only to be turned away cause the teams finds more success flying in athletes from other gyms.
i dont know much about the cali gyms, but i have to wonder if a lot of their lower level kids eventually go searching for another gym in order to be apart of a level 5 team, considering how much they like to bring talent in from else where. or how many ahtletes decide to just stay in level 4 longer cause they have no where else to go.

 

[Cheer Dad]

Of course not, but I think what people are trying to say are these coaches really willing to put the time into developing athletes, now that so many are flying in to be on the teams, what impact this is having on the homegrown athletes, who have potential...

This in my opinion is no different from a job, we all know that we appreciate a company more that search internally for employees high and low, even to the point of pairing these potential employees with Mentors before bringing someone in from the outside... I think, in many ways this can be a similar situation...

Any coach that is not willing to develop an athlete to their potential based on the athlete possibly leaving is IMHO not a very good coach. That is like looking at a young athlete and saying you'll never be on our top team so I'm going to ignore you.

 

[Mo' Bettah]

People! this is a business. Smoed and their success has allowed Cali to open new gyms and grow their business. The Livermore gym has twice as many athletes as it had last year. My daughter and her friend both learned about cheer thru Smoed and did not want to cheer anywhere else, so we are with Cali. The business model works so they will continue to seek out the best athletes for their showcase team.

 

[FierceIsTheName]

People! this is a business. Smoed and their success has allowed Cali to open new gyms and grow their business. The Livermore gym has twice as many athletes as it had last year. My daughter and her friend both learned about cheer thru Smoed and did not want to cheer anywhere else, so we are with Cali. The business model works so they will continue to seek out the best athletes for their showcase team.

But when did cheerleading become a business, instead of fun? I do it for fun. I take it seriously, but i'm not going to drop everything for a "chance" to win worlds on a team that could end up not winning. We are not a professional sport. NBA and NFL are different. They are adults in a professional sports. We are kids.