All-Star Nca Day 3 Updates (sunday)

[Cheeranswers]

i think youd be hard pressed to find a gym where athletes and parents made zero comments regarding the judges and outcomes at major comps.

haven't seen much outta stingrays.

 

[BlueCat]

i think youd be hard pressed to find a gym where athletes and parents made zero comments regarding the judges and outcomes at major comps.

This is not directed at anyone in particular, just general observation:

Most gyms make huge efforts to teach their athletes, parents, and even coaches to handle themselves with class and respect their competitors. However, at these big events, it can be tough to deal with the huge emotions. Programs may have hundreds or even thousands of athletes/parents and it simply isn't possible for all of them behave perfectly. That doesn't excuse their actions, but we shouldn't paint any gym with too broad a brush for the tweets/posts of a few highly upset people.

That being said, people need to have a thicker skin about some of this stuff. Some of what "offends" people is pretty nit-picky. (Someone got happy too early at awards, didn't shake someone's hand, etc.) IMO, some "offended" people are mostly just excited to get in a "gotcha" moment on a program they don't care for. The "calling out" is often tackier than the original action.

 

[cinderella]

i think youd be hard pressed to find a gym where athletes and parents made zero comments regarding the judges and outcomes at major comps.

What a GREAT representation of our sport...

 

[Tator tots]

What a GREAT representation of our sport...

All sports. This is certainly not a "cheer thing".

 

[Just-a-Mom]

What a GREAT representation of our sport...

This happens in every sport, so it's not really a good or bad representation. Truthfully cheer has less of it than most sports.

But it really just doesn't bother me that much - people are immature and post dumb ish on social media in all aspects of life, not just sports. I never understand why we are sooooooo obsessed with everyone being so Polly Positive. Anytime anyone associated with cheer gets upset, everyone freaks out and blasts it all over social media. It is really not that serious. I don't get the whole "really disappointed in so and so" thing.

I guess it's all perspective. I've seen much worse offenses in my 41 years than someone I don't know posting on social media in anger. I think the only way I'd care is if they singled out a specific person and said something truly nasty. But none of these posts are offensive to me. Just emotional people venting.

 

[mamabear]

I just watched smoed day 2. and I am surprised that no one commented about the struggle to keep that stunt up (which they did!). I wonder if that might have contributed to the tumbling issues later. The save looked exhausting.

 

[cheerKT]

Yes they do! On their online proshop!

fun fact: I live near Brandon, FL but was boring in North Carolina (assuming you're from Charlotte, NC)

WOW really? Do you have a link? I did a quick glance late last night but didn't see them but I was also probably excessively tired and out of it.

 

[FlexyTumblerMom]

I just watched smoed day 2. and I am surprised that no one commented about the struggle to keep that stunt up (which they did!). I wonder if that might have contributed to the tumbling issues later. The save looked exhausting.

I just went and checked the video again, and yeah, you're right - that far right stunt (Angel's group) was struggling even though it didn't go down like the center stunt. Angel was working hard in her group to keep it in the air and yeah, she could have just been exhausted cause of that and that's why she fell on her tumbling pass.

I'm guessing in general Angel is doing a lot more in the SMOED routine than she did last year in her Stingrays routine - when it's a small team, everyone has to do more , right? There isn't as much opportunity to give someone a break cause everyone is needed all the time to do what they're best at.

General comment on the smoed routine though - wow they have some tiny fliers compared to Brandon and some others in their division. That new girl that replaced Madi looks like a little mini in the middle of the pyramid.

 

[cinderella]

This happens in every sport, so it's not really a good or bad representation. Truthfully cheer has less of it than most sports.

But it really just doesn't bother me that much - people are immature and post dumb ish on social media in all aspects of life, not just sports. I never understand why we are sooooooo obsessed with everyone being so Polly Positive. Anytime anyone associated with cheer gets upset, everyone freaks out and blasts it all over social media. It is really not that serious. I don't get the whole "really disappointed in so and so" thing.

I guess it's all perspective. I've seen much worse offenses in my 41 years than someone I don't know posting on social media in anger. I think the only way I'd care is if they singled out a specific person and said something truly nasty. But none of these posts are offensive to me. Just emotional people venting.

I've had my fair share of experience in other competitive youth sports and I've seen it in this sport more than any other--at least where social media is concerned. Again, this is just my personal experience, but when you start questioning the legitimacy of the competition, you're, in essence, bringing into question the legitimacy of the sport. Which is aggravating because, guess what, so is the rest of the world. We're the ones supposed to be promoting the sport, not "losing faith in it". Honestly, I'll take a personal attack on my hair or uniform over conspiracy theories of rigged competitions and biased judges any day. It's just so heedless and damaging to the sport, IMO. I get no one's in my corner on this one, and that's fine, agree to disagree.

And, you're right, it's not that serious. I'm just always surprised with the amount people who can't keep their emotions in check. High emotions or not, have some tact (this is more directed to parents and coaches than hormonal teens lol).

 

[FlexyTumblerMom]

This happens in every sport, so it's not really a good or bad representation. Truthfully cheer has less of it than most sports.

But it really just doesn't bother me that much - people are immature and post dumb ish on social media in all aspects of life, not just sports. I never understand why we are sooooooo obsessed with everyone being so Polly Positive. Anytime anyone associated with cheer gets upset, everyone freaks out and blasts it all over social media. It is really not that serious. I don't get the whole "really disappointed in so and so" thing.

I guess it's all perspective. I've seen much worse offenses in my 41 years than someone I don't know posting on social media in anger. I think the only way I'd care is if they singled out a specific person and said something truly nasty. But none of these posts are offensive to me. Just emotional people venting.

I'm starting to feel the same way. Only comment so far that I've seen that I felt was truly awful was the one about the Smoed flyer face plant being a new dismount, the rest of it just seems like people who feel their team didn't get what they deserved.

A sport where judges decide the outcome, as opposed to one where events (like a ball going through a hoop) determine things, is always going to have cries of unfairness when things were close.

 

[luv2cheer92]

Does anyone know the official list of teams that got at-large Worlds bids? What was announced last night and what's on the Road to Worlds site don't match up.

ETA: Just kidding, it's fixed now.

 

[NJ Coach]

haven't seen much outta stingrays.

Casey Jones put out a message to everyone that the Staff would deal with issues with NCA in a professional way, and for everyone to focus on the accomplishments

 

[DancerDude0118]

I just went and checked the video again, and yeah, you're right - that far right stunt (Angel's group) was struggling even though it didn't go down like the center stunt. Angel was working hard in her group to keep it in the air and yeah, she could have just been exhausted cause of that and that's why she fell on her tumbling pass.

I'm guessing in general Angel is doing a lot more in the SMOED routine than she did last year in her Stingrays routine - when it's a small team, everyone has to do more , right? There isn't as much opportunity to give someone a break cause everyone is needed all the time to do what they're best at.

General comment on the smoed routine though - wow they have some tiny fliers compared to Brandon and some others in their division. That new girl that replaced Madi looks like a little mini in the middle of the pyramid.

What you said about the distribution of work per athlete is true - smaller teams require each member to do more. Though, this isn't the first time Angel Rice has been on a small-sized team. She was on Orange during the 2011-2012 season when they were still competing in the small senior division and she was fine for the whole season...... not forgetting to include the fact that she was 3 years younger back then.

I believe it's how the coaches work her tumbling skills into the routine, even after "cutting back" her passes since SMOED showcased their routine, I still believe it's too much. When she was on Orange, she only had one standing pass and two running passes. no bounce-backs because they really weren't necessary. Given that her standing pass back then is illegal now, I still feel there's a way to have a specialised standing pass for her that didn't require a bounce back.

 

[Cheeranswers]

Casey Jones put out a message to everyone that the Staff would deal with issues with NCA in a professional way, and for everyone to focus on the accomplishments

i saw that and thank god for that! directly talking to officials of NCA is probably gonna get you further and make your program look a lot better than tweeting about how they're dumb*****.

but serious question, say they did get through to the NCA officials and challenged a deduction or score that put them in second instead of first, would NCA take away the jacket/trophy from the original team?.. genuinely curious how this would be handled

 

[DancerDude0118]

i saw that and thank god for that! directly talking to officials of NCA is probably gonna get you further and make your program look a lot better than tweeting about how they're dumb*****.

but serious question, say they did get through to the NCA officials and challenged a deduction or score that put them in second instead of first, would NCA take away the jacket/trophy from the original team?.. genuinely curious how this would be handled

Has this ever happened before? That would be devastating for the team that "won".