All-Star Gabi's New Gym And Team Announcement 7/6/15

[Cheer Dad]

It has taken me 3 days to get through this thread as I wanted to read all the posts, but the subject matter makes me so sad/angry.
I have a daughter the same age as Gabi....is she as well known? No, but as a parent of a 17 year old, I am saddened by the fact that because Gabi is a "cheerlebrity" (HATE THE TERM) some think she should be tougher/deal with the foul-mouthed attack by a MUCH OLDER ADULT. This whole event started because an "adult" decided to state his personal opinion of an athlete who was underage and starting a business that he clearly did not think she was capable of. In the "guise" of concern, he questioned the legality/safety of said business. He tried to "cloak" his comments with "concern for the industry" but unfortunately, those "concerns" lost credibility with me when he called this young athlete several unacceptable names. Does JP have some valid points? Yes. Did I think about those things when I first heard of this? Yes. Her dad is speaking up here because he (like me) is saddened/appalled/surprised by the amount of people who aren't bothered by the fact that an a MUCH OLDER ADULT is acting like (or younger) a 17 year old. And yes, I have seen comments from both sides on Facebook, Twitter, etc, but none of this would have started if a MUCH OLDER ADULT would have kept his PERSONAL opinions of the athlete to himself and just stated the facts. Again, he lost all credibility with me when he attacked her personally. Her popularity should not enter into this. She did not do anything except announce a new business and try to promote it. It was NEVER personal on her end. It was made personal by a MUCH OLDER ADULT. I will always think it is wrong for a MUCH OLDER ADULT to attack a 17 year old no matter what the circumstances. Maturity has to play into this at some point. I don't care what the child does/says etc.....but that's just me.

I'm missing something, who has condoned what JP said about Gabi? No one that I am aware of but I don't see everything. Hoping I'm not wrong.

This is a dumb question. But if JP were to be the only person saying it is dangerous to drop a flyer on her head would you dismiss that safety concern just because of his words against Gabi? I will go on a limb here and say you wouldn't regardless of how he delivered the message. This is unfortunately a scenario where the method of delivery and the safety concern is separated. Hate the man all you want but understand the topic of safety and protecting a persons well being is still valid.


**Oops, posted in the wrong thread**

 

[CheerBank]

Remember when we had the ability to down vote a thread? Good times.
:deadhorse:

 

[kristenthegreat]

Yes, it really pisses me off when I hear parents dismiss suicide as an act committed by a weak person.

As awful as this is to hear: it takes as much courage to go in either direction. Truthfully. It's often the smallest little things that change the direction of yes or no.

 

[Tator tots]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was not that big a deal! It was NOT bullying. My parents stopped fighting my battles when I was 17, and this is not even a battle worth worrying about. Really? To make this seem so much worse than it was is ridiculous.

Can't wait till competition season comes. See ya then....

It has taken me 3 days to get through this thread as I wanted to read all the posts, but the subject matter makes me so sad/angry.
I have a daughter the same age as Gabi....is she as well known? No, but as a parent of a 17 year old, I am saddened by the fact that because Gabi is a "cheerlebrity" (HATE THE TERM) some think she should be tougher/deal with the foul-mouthed attack by a MUCH OLDER ADULT. This whole event started because an "adult" decided to state his personal opinion of an athlete who was underage and starting a business that he clearly did not think she was capable of. In the "guise" of concern, he questioned the legality/safety of said business. He tried to "cloak" his comments with "concern for the industry" but unfortunately, those "concerns" lost credibility with me when he called this young athlete several unacceptable names. Does JP have some valid points? Yes. Did I think about those things when I first heard of this? Yes. Her dad is speaking up here because he (like me) is saddened/appalled/surprised by the amount of people who aren't bothered by the fact that an a MUCH OLDER ADULT is acting like (or younger) a 17 year old. And yes, I have seen comments from both sides on Facebook, Twitter, etc, but none of this would have started if a MUCH OLDER ADULT would have kept his PERSONAL opinions of the athlete to himself and just stated the facts. Again, he lost all credibility with me when he attacked her personally. Her popularity should not enter into this. She did not do anything except announce a new business and try to promote it. It was NEVER personal on her end. It was made personal by a MUCH OLDER ADULT. I will always think it is wrong for a MUCH OLDER ADULT to attack a 17 year old no matter what the circumstances. Maturity has to play into this at some point. I don't care what the child does/says etc.....but that's just me.

So when she's 18, it'll be okay? Yes, 17 is still considered a "child" but really? You act as if your talking about an 8 year old! At 17? Yes, I think they should be a bit "tougher" to deal with a so called "foul-mouthed" attack. Especially if they are starting a business!

 

[SL&AM]

Yes, it really pisses me off when I hear parents dismiss suicide as an act committed by a weak person.

In a lot of cases, these people have no concept of depression and/or have beliefs that go against the mental health field in general. My dad hung himself when I was 8 years old; suicide is not a joke or something to talk about lightly. It is an action that causes pain for every single person left behind for seconds, minute, hours, days, weeks, months, years, and decades later---especially when the excuse seems so simple and more help could have been reached.

The reality is, this thread rubs me the wrong way because of the suicide comparison so I'd like to apologize if anyone thinks I am dismissing or excusing what JP said. I'm not by any means, but to blow it to this type of proportion is also a slap in the face to those who have suffered that type of pain and emptiness who know no other way to end it but to take drastic measures to end their own life.

 

[SharkDad]

Remember when we had the ability to down vote a thread? Good times.
:deadhorse:

You can still report threads and the admins will take note.

 

[Markiesgirl]

In a lot of cases, these people have no concept of depression and/or have beliefs that go against the mental health field in general. My dad hung himself when I was 8 years old; suicide is not a joke or something to talk about lightly. It is an action that causes pain for every single person left behind for seconds, minute, hours, days, weeks, months, years, and decades later---especially when the excuse seems so simple and more help could have been reached.

The reality is, this thread rubs me the wrong way because of the suicide comparison so I'd like to apologize if anyone thinks I am dismissing or excusing what JP said. I'm not by any means, but to blow it to this type of proportion is also a slap in the face to those who have suffered that type of pain and emptiness who know no other way to end it but to take drastic measures to end their own life.

I am so sorry about the loss of your dad. The athlete people keep referring to who committed suicide was a friend and teammate of my daughters. Her name was Cortnee Eastman, a beautiful and talented 15 yr old who was on Speed Athletics Blue Flame/Ice Indy Weathergirls. She cheered part of last season at Midwest. I too am rubbed the wrong way by this thread. The pain is raw and real.

 

[SL&AM]

I am so sorry about the loss of your dad. The athlete people keep referring to who committed suicide was a friend and teammate of my daughters. Her name was Cortnee Eastman, a beautiful and talented 15 yr old who was on Speed Athletics Blue Flame/Ice Indy Weathergirls. She cheered part of last season at Midwest. I too am rubbed the wrong way by this thread. The pain is raw and real.

Thank you. That breaks my heart to hear about Cortnee; no child should ever feel that alone in life, my thoughts are with you, your daughter, her teammates, and all of those who knew and loved her.

 

[TealArmySparkle]

I'm not condoning what JP said at all as it was vile and quite frankly incredibly immature to drag personal opinion of an athlete into the situation. However I do understand some of what he is saying as yes these athletes have a lot of experience but they are not qualified coaches so they technically should not be teaching clinics until they are fully qualified tumbling coaches only on the boundaries of insurance and legal issues that could arise should they get hurt. I'm the same age as a lot of these well known cheerleaders (I'm 17) and wanted to volunteer at my gym last season with the tiny/recreational squad but I have had to wait until I'm put through my coaching credentials for the opportunity as if someone's kid were to get hurt the parents would have been onto me faster than No Name Allstars' point flyer falling in a stunt. I just think that there should be the same standards throughout the industry and there should be a bit more regulation on things like this. By no means am I saying that these kids shouldn't be teaching clinics, I just think that there should be something in place like an instructors' certification or a volunteer vocational thing specific to the clinic running category to make all of this a little more professional?


*I know I'm probably not coming across in the way I wanted to but I just think maybe an organisation should give them permits to do this kind of stuff, so at least they can't call into question the athlete's credibility.

 

[Fiercecheermom]

I'm missing something, who has condoned what JP said about Gabi? No one that I am aware of but I don't see everything. Hoping I'm not wrong.

This is a dumb question. But if JP were to be the only person saying it is dangerous to drop a flyer on her head would you dismiss that safety concern just because of his words against Gabi? I will go on a limb here and say you wouldn't regardless of how he delivered the message. This is unfortunately a scenario where the method of delivery and the safety concern is separated. Hate the man all you want but understand the topic of safety and protecting a persons well being is still valid.


**Oops, posted in the wrong thread**

I did not say anyone "condoned" it, but that I was "saddened/appalled/surprised by the amount of people not 'bothered'...". As you can see from my message, I did think about the things he mentioned, but my whole point was that the messenger/delivery was uncalled for by ANYONE but especially by a MUCH OLDER ADULT. Situations like this can be avoided , if people could just use a little common courtesy, realize the impact of social media, and use the 24 hour (12 hour) rule before posting.

So when she's 18, it'll be okay? Yes, 17 is still considered a "child" but really? You act as if your talking about an 8 year old! At 17? Yes, I think they should be a bit "tougher" to deal with a so called "foul-mouthed" attack. Especially if they are starting a business!

There is NEVER a reason to attack someone, especially in business, with foul language. If you cannot communicate rationally and respectfully, you need to stay off of social media/communication devices until you can gather your control. Period. These rules should apply at any age. My point was that a MUCH OLDER ADULT (who ABSOLUTELY should know better) did this to a minor. And just for the record, if it were my daughter and she was 21 or 25, I would still feel the exact same way. Period.

I'm not condoning what JP said at all as it was vile and quite frankly incredibly immature to drag personal opinion of an athlete into the situation. However I do understand some of what he is saying as yes these athletes have a lot of experience but they are not qualified coaches so they technically should not be teaching clinics until they are fully qualified tumbling coaches only on the boundaries of insurance and legal issues that could arise should they get hurt. I'm the same age as a lot of these well known cheerleaders (I'm 17) and wanted to volunteer at my gym last season with the tiny/recreational squad but I have had to wait until I'm put through my coaching credentials for the opportunity as if someone's kid were to get hurt the parents would have been onto me faster than No Name Allstars' point flyer falling in a stunt. I just think that there should be the same standards throughout the industry and there should be a bit more regulation on things like this. By no means am I saying that these kids shouldn't be teaching clinics, I just think that there should be something in place like an instructors' certification or a volunteer vocational thing specific to the clinic running category to make all of this a little more professional?


*I know I'm probably not coming across in the way I wanted to but I just think maybe an organisation should maybe give them permits to do this kind of stuff, so at least they can't call into question the athlete's credibility.

I think you came across wonderfully and mature!

 

[icame2WERQ]

Quick Question do these clinics GB is running. Is she insured and have the certifications or whatever ?

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

Quick Question do these clinics GB is running. Is she insured and have the certifications or whatever ?

I believe her dad said she went through ASGA (All Star Gym Owners Association) training (slash is credentialed through them? I don't know how ASGA works) but no clue if she is credentialed through any other organization's name. I'm not too sure if I'm correct in saying this but it looks to me that the ASGA is more focused on the business/industry side of cheer rather than the teaching of skills side of things. No clue if she's certified through USASF as far as teaching skill levels.

No clue on insurance either, maybe her dad can tell us.

 

[nicolee]

I'm out of the loop for like a week and suddenly JP's back??? And calling an underage girl a "punk a$$"???

One little thing: cheerlebs/cheer parents/famous people of all shapes and sizes, if you're going to put yourself in the public eye, be prepared for criticism.
If you call out a former athlete for 'deserting' you on a Youtube video (let's open that can of worms, shall we?), get ready for people to point out that this is slander. If you vent on Twitter about an athlete, be prepared for it to bite you in the butt.
If you allow your 17-year-old daughter, who has very little professional training or experience, to open a gym, then get ready for some backlash and for people to question whether it is the right decision.

 

[catlady]

It's a British and American phenomenon, where if a person is in the spotlight, people feel like they get a pass for being brutal jerks in media. IMO, it falls into line with the whole, "if you dress a certain way, you deserved to be raped" line of thinking. Do I believe for a moment this thread is about constructive criticism? No, the dang gym isn't even open yet. Perhaps it is our right to discuss what ever we want and voice our opinion but, at what point does it cross the line from being "constructive criticism" to "just being a jerk behind a screen"? IMO, if you wouldn't say it directly to them, then you're "just a jerk behind a screen".

 

[mom2three]

So is she a business owner and a coach, like you know, teaching others cheer skills and being paid for it. Or, is she just a child? I'm not sure, but it appears that its supposed to be both? I dont think it works that way.