All-Star "name" Of Gym Affecting Placement?

[lakerfantlc]

I think the judges should be scoring the number of fulls they see that day. We all live in the world of injuries, subbing kids in, new skills, etc. The number of standing fulls you see in a youtube video in January could increase before worlds (and other competitions for that matter). Judges should score what they see. That being said, I am in favor of judges being able to review the competition video for that day in order to get the quantities right.

Agree... My comment was based on the YouTube reference .... Judges should be able to do whatever possible to get it rifht

 

[christina3655]

I thinks its better to teach kids that hard work pays off and not whining about being cheated....if there was a team that has cali skills...they would be up there....in fact...there are lots of them....this is pointless and it borders on poor sportsmanship...IMO

i dont think its complaining or whinning about being cheated... u were just talking about putting in the hard work ...period.... ok but the team im on and the other teams in my gym do put in the hard work...we are working just as hard as any other gym..... what exactly defines hard work...sweating?..we all sweat when we work out...the amount of time we spend in the gym??...everyone i know practically lives at our gym....is hard work being knocked down and getting back up??... everyone does this.... so it comes down to ...the name of your gym... like this thread indicates....... we all work hard and put our heart and soul into what were doing...we all understand how hard this sport is and the dedication it takes to want to do this and be successful at it..... so its a huge slap in the face and a disappointment to know that you worked just as hard as Team A u put in the same amount of hours you got knocked down just as much .... and then your told it wasnt"good enough "... when u know theres nothing more you could have done to better prepare.... its completely in the judges hands and if the judges just happen to have a biased favoritism towards gym A.... your screwed

Also talking about seeing the score sheets..... do you know how easy it is to be biased on the score sheet..which in my opinion... is what the problem is you see Team A come out... you know of their reputation ...do u know how easy it is to give team A better scores right off the back just becuase their team A..... it may be hard to swallow but its true... and this is why the score sheets show Team A scoring higher....because they were biased from the begining....they didnt correctly score each team then decide after the division goes " oh we want Team A to win"...they just score it that way to start with ..... its just not right .... We need a universal scoring system..... that IMO would solve a lot of issues

 

[socratesofcheer]

i dont think its complaining or whinning about being cheated... u were just talking about putting in the hard work ...period.... ok but the team im on and the other teams in my gym do put in the hard work...we are working just as hard as any other gym..... what exactly defines hard work...sweating?..we all sweat when we work out...the amount of time we spend in the gym??...everyone i know practically lives at our gym....is hard work being knocked down and getting back up??... everyone does this.... so it comes down to ...the name of your gym... like this thread indicates....... we all work hard and put our heart and soul into what were doing...we all understand how hard this sport is and the dedication it takes to want to do this and be successful at it..... so its a huge slap in the face and a disappointment to know that you worked just as hard as Team A u put in the same amount of hours you got knocked down just as much .... and then your told it wasnt"good enough "... when u know theres nothing more you could have done to better prepare.... its completely in the judges hands and if the judges just happen to have a biased favoritism towards gym A.... your screwed

Also talking about seeing the score sheets..... do you know how easy it is to be biased on the score sheet..which in my opinion... is what the problem is you see Team A come out... you know of their reputation ...do u know how easy it is to give team A better scores right off the back just becuase their team A..... it may be hard to swallow but its true... and this is why the score sheets show Team A scoring higher....because they were biased from the begining....they didnt correctly score each team then decide after the division goes " oh we want Team A to win"...they just score it that way to start with ..... its just not right .... We need a universal scoring system..... that IMO would solve a lot of issues

There are a lot of questions I have from your post, but, I'll start with these.
Everyone works the same??? NO, they don't. Hard work to you might be easy to someone else, and vice versa.
-- Do you have examples with videos that we can see where it clearly comes down to bias from the judges?

If a judge is bias, they are going to be bias with or without a universal scoring system.

 

[christina3655]

...excuse me .... level 5 worlds teams ...all work hard..... at least the gyms ive been apart of... me as an athlete will not choose to be apart of a gym that i didnt think worked hard .....nd i dont have time to look up specific videos of teams because i have to get to practice ... so u can think what u want im just stating my opinion from experience .....ive been apart of 3 different gyms over my 10 years of all star cheering and this has been happening forever ....not just recently ..... plus you dont know how hard other teams work all you can speak on is the team or gym you come from ...

 

[christina3655]

u may have a more difficult stunt ..... but if you drop them how do u get your execution points ...? liike at worlds .....if half of ur elites drop how do u still get 2nd... obviously if your at worlds the top 3 spots in any division is going to be super competitive and im assuming the scores really close... you dont have the option to drop or your out....well that didnt happen last year so can u see where im scratching my head ??:/

 

[lakerfantlc]

i dont think its complaining or whinning about being cheated... u were just talking about putting in the hard work ...period.... ok but the team im on and the other teams in my gym do put in the hard work...we are working just as hard as any other gym..... what exactly defines hard work...sweating?..we all sweat when we work out...the amount of time we spend in the gym??...everyone i know practically lives at our gym....is hard work being knocked down and getting back up??... everyone does this.... so it comes down to ...the name of your gym... like this thread indicates....... we all work hard and put our heart and soul into what were doing...we all understand how hard this sport is and the dedication it takes to want to do this and be successful at it..... so its a huge slap in the face and a disappointment to know that you worked just as hard as Team A u put in the same amount of hours you got knocked down just as much .... and then your told it wasnt"good enough "... when u know theres nothing more you could have done to better prepare.... its completely in the judges hands and if the judges just happen to have a biased favoritism towards gym A.... your screwed

Also talking about seeing the score sheets..... do you know how easy it is to be biased on the score sheet..which in my opinion... is what the problem is you see Team A come out... you know of their reputation ...do u know how easy it is to give team A better scores right off the back just becuase their team A..... it may be hard to swallow but its true... and this is why the score sheets show Team A scoring higher....because they were biased from the begining....they didnt correctly score each team then decide after the division goes " oh we want Team A to win"...they just score it that way to start with ..... its just not right .... We need a universal scoring system..... that IMO would solve a lot of issues

I will never be able to converse with you because you hate Cali....all I can say is I disagree with you totally. BTW...I never said that other gyms do not work hard...but for you to say my kids sweat and tears are not deserved because of their gym name is offensive at best!!!!:banghead:

 

[DJ]

u may have a more difficult stunt ..... but if you drop them how do u get your execution points ...? liike at worlds .....if half of ur elites drop how do u still get 2nd... obviously if your at worlds the top 3 spots in any division is going to be super competitive and im assuming the scores really close... you dont have the option to drop or your out....well that didnt happen last year so can u see where im scratching my head ??:/

Coach Troy
can you control your people? I really don't want to get ugly on PCM on the 8th day of this new year - new meanj.

but trust. she'll be runnin' for the coast honnayy

 

[lakerfantlc]

u may have a more difficult stunt ..... but if you drop them how do u get your execution points ...? liike at worlds .....if half of ur elites drop how do u still get 2nd... obviously if your at worlds the top 3 spots in any division is going to be super competitive and im assuming the scores really close... you dont have the option to drop or your out....well that didnt happen last year so can u see where im scratching my head ??:/

OMG...did you happen to notice the divide between the teams???? AGAIN...we were miles ahead of third after day one..we barley beat them day two with appropriate deductions....have you not studied the scores....please don't speak if you don't get it...if a stunt fall was the basis of success....it would be named the "Worlds Stunting Championships"......geeeez

 

[12mowerd]

So you are saying you think it is a bad thing that a judge would no the exact amount of fulls a team has? My goodness...no matter what a judge has or hasn't seen...shouldnt the most talented team win?

no I'm just using that as an example. But what if a team has 20 standing fulls at their first comp and then they lose say 5 athletes and have 5 tucks go in and fake them... what if they are judging them on 20 fulls when they really only have 15. I guess I dont think it's right to be able to watch the teams throughout their whole season is all I'm saying.

 

[christina3655]

Coach Troy
can you control your people? I really don't want to get ugly on PCM on the 8th day of this new year - new meanj.

but trust. she'll be runnin' for the coast honnayy

-__-... never once did i say anything about pcm...so why are you bringing them into this ... im just giving my opinion and it has nothing to do with pcm...... thats why my name has nothing to do with pcm it simply says christina3655... .... try not to take anything i say to heart im not attacking anyone.... again im just giving my opinion

I will never be able to converse with you because you hate Cali....all I can say is I disagree with you totally. BTW...I never said that other gyms do not work hard...but for you to say my kids sweat and tears are not deserved because of their gym name is offensive at best!!!!:banghead:

never said i hated cali....i love and support cali i have friends on the teams there that have been my friends since i started all star cheer 10 years ago...i dont know how you think you know me...again im just stating my opinion and has nothing to do with my gym that is why i never mention my gym or anyone in it .... im speaking for myself only.... you guys are really reading into this way too much stop being so defensive... i never said your teams didnt deserve anything... i never mentioned CA.... #stopputtingwordsinmymouth

OMG...did you happen to notice the divide between the teams???? AGAIN...we were miles ahead of third after day one..we barley beat them day two with appropriate deductions....have you not studied the scores....please don't speak if you don't get it...if a stunt fall was the basis of success....it would be named the "Worlds Stunting Championships"......geeeez

again i never said anything about your gym......-____-

 

[itsHimtrae]

Some of you guys get offended by a persons OPINION way too easy. People get so dramatic over something that can just be easily ignored.

 

[Coach Troy]

Coach Troy
can you control your people? I really don't want to get ugly on PCM on the 8th day of this new year - new meanj.

but trust. she'll be runnin' for the coast honnayy

But I thought this was an opinion board?? Last I checked just because you disagree with her dosent mean she have the right to voice her thoughts. Lakerfanatic why is it you support meanj when he starts a silly thread but pounce on anyone that would dare say anything against your team or program??? This is the second place where because it was a negative opinion about you and now it's unacceptable??

It is a discussion about the "name" effecting the outcome of events looks appropriate to me.

 

[debbie]

-__-... never once did i say anything about pcm...so why are you bringing them into this ... im just giving my opinion and it has nothing to do with pcm...... thats why my name has nothing to do with pcm it simply says christina3655... .... try not to take anything i say to heart im not attacking anyone.... again im just giving my opinion



never said i hated cali....i love and support cali i have friends on the teams there that have been my friends since i started all star cheer 10 years ago...i dont know how you think you know me...again im just stating my opinion and has nothing to do with my gym that is why i never mention my gym or anyone in it .... im speaking for myself only.... you guys are really reading into this way too much stop being so defensive... i never said your teams didnt deserve anything... i never mentioned CA.... #stopputtingwordsinmymouth



again i never said anything about your gym......-____-

um you really didn't need to mention CA everyone knew thats who u were talking about....don't pretend otherwise. who else dropped that many stunts at worlds and finished 2nd? really

 

[debbie]

But I thought this was an opinion board?? Last I checked just because you disagree with her dosent mean she have the right to voice her thoughts. Lakerfanatic why is it you support meanj when he starts a silly thread but pounce on anyone that would dare say anything against your team or program??? This is the second place where because it was a negative opinion about you and now it's unacceptable??

It is a discussion about the "name" effecting the outcome of events looks appropriate to me.

In all the threads I've every read I don't remember even once lakerfanatic ever saying anything negative about any gym EVER.

 

[DJ]

But I thought this was an opinion board?? Last I checked just because you disagree with her dosent mean she have the right to voice her thoughts. Lakerfanatic why is it you support meanj when he starts a silly thread but pounce on anyone that would dare say anything against your team or program??? This is the second place where because it was a negative opinion about you and now it's unacceptable??

It is a discussion about the "name" effecting the outcome of events looks appropriate to me.

okay, nice time over. game on.