All-Star I Want You To Tear Apart This Idea And Find Every Hole You Can Find

[King]

A team turns in a list of set skills right before the team competes of everything that team does (or should do) on the floor. That list (along with a high def video) goes to the difficulty judge. His/her whole job is to determine the difficulty of what is attempted on the floor. (note this is NOT the execution or performance of the skill, just the difficulty of the skill itself). At the end of the process a team should have a fairly accurate assessment of the difficulty of their team that (barring catastrophe from day 1 to day 2 or vice versa) should not vary much. The process should be objective and allow the live scoring judges (the ones who do the execution and performance scores done live) to not worry about difficulty.

What is wrong with this and why?

 

[BlueCat]

Not that it is a "problem", but at some point, we need to decide what the ranking for difficulty would be for each major skill. We also need to factor in number of bases, % of team, etc.

 

[King]

Not that it is a "problem", but at some point, we need to decide what the ranking for difficulty would be for each major skill. We also need to factor in number of bases, % of team, etc.

Agreed, but that is a problem based on the current one as well. How come the system break down? Number of people required to do difficulty? Time? Should there be an accuracy score for what is attempted?

 

[Mclovin]

If I turn a list in that says we do 7 two to whip doubles and when we're actually competing we only do 4 of those, is the live scoring judge supposed to be able to notice that?

 

[King]

If I turn a list in that says we do 7 two to whip doubles and when we're actually competing we only do 4 of those, is the live scoring judge supposed to be able to notice that?

The live judge ONLY worries about execution and performance. The live judges do not care if you just do forward rolls in level 5 if they were executed well, timed well, and gave one heckuva performance.

 

[Mclovin]

What if I turn in a list that says we have 18 kids competing doubles but over half of those don't get all the way around? (Something I noticed quite frequently this past weekend) Does that team get credit for doubles and you just take off of their execution score? Or does an incomplete double not count as a double at all??

 

[Mom Jeans]

Does every EP have the capability to do this?

 

[Mclovin]

The live judge ONLY worries about execution and performance. The live judges do not care if you just do forward rolls in level 5 if they were executed well, timed well, and gave one heckuva performance.

So who determines if your difficulty is accurate??

 

[cheerinfo]

If you are the difficulty judge....YOU are the final word. That is ALL you have to worry about. You will have a list of skills to be performed and a grid. Watch the video and ONLY judge the difficulty. As in all judging, there will of course be human error, but this would hopefully decrease it significantly. Forward progress.....

 

[JulieP]

The live judge ONLY worries about execution and performance. The live judges do not care if you just do forward rolls in level 5 if they were executed well, timed well, and gave one heckuva performance.

So if the 36 forward rolls were executed perfectly, then the level 5 team could get a perfect score from the live judge for standing tumbling? Just want to make sure I understand. Then the video judge, would judge the difficulty/verify quantities, etc?

 

[King]

What if I turn in a list that says we have 18 kids competing doubles but over half of those don't get all the way around? (Something I noticed quite frequently this past weekend) Does that team get credit for doubles and you just take off of their execution score? Or does an incomplete double not count as a double at all??

I would say if you wrote down 18 doubles and 9 of them did 1 1/2's your execution score would do down quite a bit. For all the definitive fulls that were done instead of doubles your accuracy score could be affected. In reality at the end of that section both scores would be affected with equal parts.

 

[King]

So if the 36 forward rolls were executed perfectly, then the level 5 team could get a perfect score from the live judge for standing tumbling? Just want to make sure I understand. Then the video judge, would judge the difficulty/verify quantities, etc?

Yes, the live judges would could give them a perfect score (though I imagine skill creativity would be affected). The difficulty judge could hammer them and drop them down many levels. There would be no way to win by perfectly performing forward rolls in level 5. There wouldn't even be a way to be competitive in this strategy.

 

[njallday]

Mclovin basically stated my main issue with this.

Teams may not be throwing what they write on that declaration form. whether it's incorrect on purpose to get a higher difficulty score or due to injury/inconsistency in warm-ups, it may not be accurate. So there would have to be a way to amend the form before the music starts, or repercussions for liars.

For example, ABC allstars submits a form stating they have 11 standing fulls. Of those 11, 4 do fulls and the rest tuck. The coach could easily say the athlete changed it on the floor or that the judges are wrong. So, there would need to be some sort of video play back to verify and/or a deductions system for inaccuracies.

 

[King]

If you are the difficulty judge....YOU are the final word. That is ALL you have to worry about. You will have a list of skills to be performed and a grid. Watch the video and ONLY judge the difficulty. As in all judging, there will of course be human error, but this would hopefully decrease it significantly. Forward progress.....

As it is done by video and HD it would be verifiable. Possibly a coach gets the ability to 'challenge' their difficulty score once for every 5 teams AS LONG AS his challenge was correct. If the challenge ended up not changing any difficulty values they are no longer allowed to challenge difficulty anymore.

No live judging scores can be adjusted.

 

[King]

Mclovin basically stated my main issue with this.

Teams may not be throwing what they write on that declaration form. whether it's incorrect on purpose to get a higher difficulty score or due to injury/inconsistency in warm-ups, it may not be accurate. So there would have to be a way to amend the form before the music starts, or repercussions for liars.

For example, ABC allstars submits a form stating they have 11 standing fulls. Of those 11, 4 do fulls and the rest tuck. The coach could easily say the athlete changed it on the floor or that the judges are wrong. So, there would need to be some sort of video play back to verify and/or a deductions system for inaccuracies.

I think there would be an accuracy score. Perhaps it is 10%. For each innacrruacy to what is listed your accuracy score goes down.