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MomOf2ThatsMe

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Judge to Conn. school: Cheerleading not a sport - Yahoo! News

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) -- A U.S. District Court judge in Connecticut has again ruled that competitive cheerleading, despite some upgrades, is not a sport, and says Quinnipiac University must remain under an injunction that requires the school to keep its women's volleyball team.
Several volleyball players and their coach successfully sued the university in 2009 after it announced it would eliminate volleyball for budgetary reasons and replace it with a competitive cheer squad.
U.S. District Court Judge Stefan R. Underhill ruled in their favor, saying that competitive cheerleading had not developed enough to be considered a college sport for Title IX purposes, and he ordered the school to keep the volleyball team and come up with a compliance plan.
In his latest ruling Monday, Underhill said that the additions of the cheer team, now called "acrobatics and tumbling," and a women's rugby team do not give the university's female students competitive opportunities equal to those offered to male students and he denied the school's request to lift his previous injunction.
Quinnipiac spokeswoman Lynn Bushnell issued a statement Tuesday saying the school is disappointed with the ruling, but "remains committed to its long standing plans to continue expanding opportunities in women's athletics."
Title IX, in 1972, opened doors for girls and women by banning sex discrimination in all federally funded school programs, including sports.
While the judge noted Monday that acrobatics and tumbling have made improvements, including more cohesive rules of competition and a better championship format, he said two organizations compete to oversee the activity and it is not recognized by the NCAA as a sport or even an emerging sport.
"And without that recognition, acro lacks what every other varsity men's team sponsored by Quinnipiac enjoys: the chance to participate in an NCAA-sponsored championship," the judge wrote.
Underhill found that the rugby team lacked quality competition because only four other schools offer women's rugby as a varsity sport, which meant the school's team spent most of its inaugural season playing club teams.
Attorney Jon Orleans, who argued the case for the volleyball players along with the American Civil Liberties Union of Connecticut, said it was significant that the judge went beyond just counting male and female athletes at the school.
"The court went on to analyze the quality of competition offered to men's teams and women's teams, and found that women at Quinnipiac were not, on the whole, provided with competitive opportunities equivalent to those provided to men," he said. "This is one of very few, if not the only, court decisions to address this particular aspect of Title IX's requirements."
 
I think cheerleading has too much of a stereotype that comes with it. It affects how my peers from school view what I do, and what the old men in the courts think. My boyfriend didn't think cheer was a sport. Not even after making him watch Top Gun and CEA videos with me for hours ;) After coming to the first competition he started to respect it more. After the second competition he even liked it. The other day he told me he thinks shooting stars are going to win worlds. I haven't ever even talked to him or showed him WCSS on youtube... that's all him. After a year of being immersed in the sport and listening to me talk about it 24/7 he finally will recognize it as a sport. Anyways I'm going off on a tangent. My point is no one video -no matter how cool- or research -no matter how thorough- will change a person's mind. It takes experiencing it first hand multiple times before they will see it for what it really is. Or until the stereotype of cheerleading evolves into a more accurate representation of what we are all about, which is happening slowly but surely. Same reason why first impressions are so important or why people are still racist. Sure, examples of the other race being successful and good people are everywhere but they believe what they want and ignore the facts.
 
I think that the judge made a fair ruling. It's not about stereotypes, it's about facts, and there is just nothing cohesive about college cheerleading as a varsity sport. You can't count NCA or UCA Nationals - there's no season, pretty much anyone can go, and you're competing against other school that aren't varsity teams, many of whom cheer on the sidelines as well as compete.

Varsity needs to get out of Stunt and let Acro and Tumbling handle the varsity sport side of things. Stunt lets anyone compete, even if they aren't a varsity sport, it's just slowing things down.
 
I think cheerleading has too much of a stereotype that comes with it. It affects how my peers from school view what I do, and what the old men in the courts think.

But if you read the story above, as well as the judicial opinion, the Court's ruling is in no way based on any of the typical stereotypes associated with cheerleading.

The Court's opinion is based entirely on the way competitive cheerleading is organized (or not organized, depending on your perspective) and governed at the collegiate level. The Court is examining the factual information about how competitive college cheerleading is currently structured, and then applying that information to the requirements of a longstanding law in this country.

This is the second time this Court has issued this opinion. In its first ruling on this matter, the Court actually went as far as praising competitive cheerleaders as being impressive athletes who are changing what it means to be a cheerleader in this country.

The judge is more or less saying what people on this board and industry leaders say everyday: a more organized and unified industry will be received as being more legitimate than the fragmented industry that currently exists.
 
But if you read the story above, as well as the judicial opinion, the Court's ruling is in no way based on any of the typical stereotypes associated with cheerleading.

The Court's opinion is based entirely on the way competitive cheerleading is organized (or not organized, depending on your perspective) and governed at the collegiate level. The Court is examining the factual information about how competitive college cheerleading is currently structured, and then applying that information to the requirements of a longstanding law in this country.

This is the second time this Court has issued this opinion. In its first ruling on this matter, the Court actually went as far as praising competitive cheerleaders as being impressive athletes who are changing what it means to be a cheerleader in this country.

The judge is more or less saying what people on this board and industry leaders say everyday: a more organized and unified industry will be received as being more legitimate than the fragmented industry that currently exists.
While it is based off of the way it is structured, I think the stereotype affected their decisions more than they would like to let on. What if it was a more traditional sport? Would the result have been different? Maybe not. But I think it definitely was in their minds.
 
While it is based off of the way it is structured, I think the stereotype affected their decisions more than they would like to let on. What if it was a more traditional sport? Would the result have been different? Maybe not. But I think it definitely was in their minds.


That's the problem. If it behaved like a more traditional sport with an organized season and schedule, and small "meets" between schools, and you had to qualify for some sort of playoffs, then the results would have been different. But it doesn't, and saying "well cheer is just different" isn't going to cut it.

Acro and Tumbling is making strides in this regard. They've tried to fix those things. A&T teams are varsity sports. They don't cheer for anyone else, their sole person is to compete.

Varsity's (the brand) STUNT sort of does the same thing - tries to set up meet-type events between school with more than just one 2:30 routine. But STUNT allows anyone to compete, even teams that also do sideline cheering and aren't recognized by their school as a sport. How can you be an NCAA sport if part of your responsibilities are to cheer on the sideline?

The two HAVE to start working together, but Varsity won't get out and let A&T develop this. They need to have a piece of the pie, if they lose this ground they stand to lose teams and money from UCA and NCA nationals. But by refusing to get out or work together, they don't have one cohesive governing body for cheer as an NCAA sport.

The judge made the right call, plan and simple. There were no stereotypes involved. This wasn't a willy-nilly call, it went through a court case that lasted weeks with exhaustive amounts of information. The judges were very informed of competitive college cheerleaders do.
 
Varsity has spent a tremendous amount of money and energy to quietly block cheer from being recognized as a sport officially. It would threaten their profit and control.

see pg 45 and 46 Appendix B: letters from Jim Lord and Greg Webb 2002. Why would it be necessary for a corporate executive to add this (direct quote) to the letter?
I think it’s important to point out that two high school associations aggressively seeking approval to include cheerleading as a Title IX Sport (Colorado and Minnesota) have also asked to include dance teams. Combining dance team numbers with cheerleading numbers would approach those of men’s football programs.

http://www.ncwge.org/PDF/Title_IX_Coalition_Report_Final.pdf
 
I feel like allstar cheerleadeing should just have a new name. Its not cheerleading anymore, its so much more than that. Highschool cheer and allstar cheer need to be recongnized by the public as two completley separate sports. The big problem is that not enough people know about allstar cheer yet. Its like we live in our own secret society. Think about it....We know most of the football, basketball, baseball lingo,the rules, and the game, but does anybody other cheerleaders know anything about allstar cheer? No. When a normal person thinks of a cheerleader, they think of somebody screaming on the sidelines. Thats why i love the show Cheer! It shows people every thing a cheerleder goes through.When people start to respect what we do, then, and only then will cheer become a sport
 
Do you guys think that it will be a safer sport once it is recognized?

I don't think cheerleading is dangeours at all. If you have the right tehnicque and good coach it's safe. People say it'd dangerous because you can fall to the ground blah blah....Just like gymnastic, if you have good coaches who know what they are doing it's safe, but if you have coaches that don't know how to spot a backtuck, ofcouse it's dangeours.
 
I don't think cheerleading is dangeours at all. If you have the right tehnicque and good coach it's safe. People say it'd dangerous because you can fall to the ground blah blah....Just like gymnastic, if you have good coaches who know what they are doing it's safe, but if you have coaches that don't know how to spot a backtuck, ofcouse it's dangeours.
i agree, but alot of teams dont have certified coaches.. making it sport would mean you have to be certified.
 
Quinnipiac has an acro and tumbling team and this is the team they are trying to get cleared for title ix. It's still too early. I think this is the best shot for college to get a girls title ix sport added.

High school cheer will technically never be a title ix sport in high school across the board. Due to the expense of proper coaching and equipment.

All star should get more organized and committed to acting more like gymnastics as far as meets and competition and those kids can go to college and do acro and tumbling.

High school should go back to sideline only and then girls could do both hs and Allstar.
 
see pg 45 and 46 Appendix B: letters from Jim Lord and Greg Webb 2002.

http://www.ncwge.org/PDF/Title_IX_Coalition_Report_Final.pdf

I've read lots of official documents and testimony showing true intentions Varsity Corp but this document solidified what I thought about the subsidiaries and AACCA.

There is just enough effort for USA Cheer, AACCA and other organizations to say "we are the governing bodies" and "we're focused on safety" but only All Star has any organization and no form of cheer has ever developed a true safety culture.

It saddens me and most importantly puts thousands of youth at needless risk.



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Quinnipiac has an acro and tumbling team and this is the team they are trying to get cleared for title ix. It's still too early. I think this is the best shot for college to get a girls title ix sport added.

High school cheer will technically never be a title ix sport in high school across the board. Due to the expense of proper coaching and equipment.

All star should get more organized and committed to acting more like gymnastics as far as meets and competition and those kids can go to college and do acro and tumbling.

High school should go back to sideline only and then girls could do both hs and Allstar.
Safety and coaching are expenses in other HS sports that are recognized as true sports. And, unfortunately, from my understanding, Acro and Tumbling is up against a wall with getting "recognized" because of the whole stunt conflict (two organizations compete to oversee ---in the court ruling) Certain organizations like the status quo because it is lucrative to them.
 
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