All-Star 2011 Visa's

[carolinagirl823]

Nastia can put up a good floor score if she got back into shape.

One of my favorite things to see at Worlds/Olympics is how many US athletes score high enough to make individual event finals and all around finals but can't go because of the limit on athletes from certain countries.

Same here!!!

Also I would like to say that I love this thread and it was a great idea.

 

[cheeromgbre]

Saw on twitter that Rebecca Bross is having surgery to stabilize her right knee cap and will be out for about 2 months. Apparently she'll be back for the 2012 season.

 

[chyeeaaa69]

Question: how can Valeri tell with such little information that it wasn't her ACL? I know you can often see dislocations and breaks, but I didn't think you'd be able to see an ACL tear?

 

[MDMARLINS_SHANNONRENEE*]

I think you confused Nastia and Shawn! Everyone LOVES Nastia's classic lines and beautiful form. Shawn on the other hand....well, she reminds us of Mary Lou or Kim Zemeskal (who was called a butterball by Bela).

Nope I'm right. As s gymnast, I know the gymnastics world, and I'm not to sure shy a lot of them dislike Nastia, I just don't want her to be on the commitee, I feel like she'll only help build a team thats from her own.

 

[MDMARLINS_SHANNONRENEE*]

Thats alittle rude and I dont think 9/10 gymnast hate her.

No it wasn't posted to be in a rude way, It's just a fact that a lot of gymnast don't like her for many different reasons that I'm not to sure of and they don't want her to be on the commitee she help make a team that comes from her own.

 

[carolinagirl823]

No it wasn't posted to be in a rude way, It's just a fact that a lot of gymnast don't like her for many different reasons that I'm not to sure of and they don't want her to be on the commitee she help make a team that comes from her own.

Your posts are coming off pretty rude. Also I don't think USA gymnastics really cares if some kids don't want Nastia on the selection committee. No offense but I don't think that you are high enough up in the gymnastics world to really know what peoples' opinions really are. I only say this because nobody can really be that involved in both the cheerleading and gymnastics worlds. It's kind of one or the other.

 

[bradyelizabeth]

Okay, being the INSANE gymnastics fan that I am....

As far as the Nastia vs. Shawn, it's really all in preference. For the quadrennium that Nastia excelled in ('05-'08) her artistry and lines were admired by the judges over Shawn's power and difficulty. This quad that we are in now is a little more difficulty heavy (proving to be a problem and causing injuries among the best like Rebecca Bross and Aliya Mustafina). However, the gymnastics fans of the last quad seemed to prefer Shawn and her bubbly personality and sky high skills.

Also, even though I love Rebecca, I don't if it is very realistic for her to comeback strong enough for London...her ankles and knees have been giving her problems for years. And I certainly don't think it is possible for Nastia to make a major comeback. She might comeback as a specialist, but we really need as many strong all arounders as we can get. Russia's so strong now because they have so many all around greats. We have Jordyn. If stronger, Chellsie may also play into the all around.

You probably haven't heard of McKayla because she is a new senior. I hope she ups her difficulty on her events other than vault because she has beautiful dance. We also have Kyla Ross coming up from the junior rankings next season, who is incredibly consistent and now has a solid Amanar vault as well.

If you haven't heard of Katelyn Ohashi yet, PLEASE go check out youtube videos of her Visa's routines. She is phenomenal!!! With a little work in consistency, she could be HUGE in the next quad. She is the junior Visa champ this year.

....Sorry for this rant, but although cheer is what I do and I am a huge cheer fan...I am a HUGE gymnastics fan. The way some people on her obsess over major all-star programs and teams is how I obsess over gymnastics. I never miss a major international meet, however I can find the stats. and score updates and videos I will find them. And with the Olympics coming up, I think I'm beginning to lose my mind. Ahh!

 

[MDMARLINS_SHANNONRENEE*]

Your posts are coming off pretty rude. Also I don't think USA gymnastics really cares if some kids don't want Nastia on the selection committee. No offense but I don't think that you are high enough up in the gymnastics world to really know what peoples' opinions really are. I only say this because nobody can really be that involved in both the cheerleading and gymnastics worlds. It's kind of one or the other.

First off the comments weren't ment to be rude but in a true fact way. Second of all, no one mentioned USAG, I mentioned what the gymnastics world didn't like. Third, I train in level 8-9 artistic gymnastics. And fourth, yes athletes can be high up in gymnastics and cheerleading, just like they are with High school cheer and allstars, Dance and cheer, or for someone like me who trains hard in Gymnastics, Track & Field, Cross Country, Ballet, and Allstar Cheer. And I am that person that knows what athletes oppinions are and why... because I ask for it and I know many of these athletes!

 

[carolinagirl823]

First off the comments weren't ment to be rude but in a true fact way. Second of all, no one mentioned USAG, I mentioned what the gymnastics world didn't like. Third, I train in level 8-9 artistic gymnastics. And fourth, yes athletes can be high up in gymnastics and cheerleading, just like they are with High school cheer and allstars, Dance and cheer, or for someone like me who trains hard in Gymnastics, Track & Field, Cross Country, Ballet, and Allstar Cheer. And I am that person that knows what athletes oppinions are and why... because I ask for it and I know many of these athletes!

Okay let me rephrase. I don't think that you know enough people in the gymnastics world to be making statements like "9/10 gymnasts don't like Nastia". Maybe you know 9 people that don't (and that is fine) but I don't think that you should be so rude to people that try to contradict that statement. Also the quickest way to make enemies on here is to use the phrases "I am right" and "You are wrong". Nobody is ever really right or wrong on here.

 

[chyeeaaa69]

@GVAD_bradyelizabeth said it best, with the new scoring system, gymnasts and spectators alike are favouring Shawn's style, it scores higher (with the exception of bars), and is actually quite remarkable what she can do physically. Most people no longer appreciate Nastia's BEAUTIFUL style, it seems to be a style lost to the good ol' days.. pre-04.
Yes @MDMARLINS_SHANNONRENEE*, you are quite out of line making bold statements like you did, and yes, they did come off rude. I could not care less if you were a level 8 or 9 gymnast, or whether you were elite, there are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of gymnasts in the USA, so to say "9/10 gymnasts don't like Nastia", like @carolinagirl823 is a bigger statement than you're capable of making.
Personally, I have seen a larger favouring to Shawn's style, it's the same reason gymnasts like Jordyn Weiber and Alicia Sacramone are also loved a lot, not only by judges, but by spectators alike. With female gymnastics, people no longer care about the artistry, we care about the big tumbles (Well.. most people). Also, as I and other people have said, the gymnastics community's opinion on Nastia has NOTHING to do with her on the selection committee. She knows more about gymnastics than 99% of the people who say she shouldn't be on it, and we're acting like she'll have the same decision-making as Marta... At this point, Nastia will probably sit there, throw in her opinion every 20 minutes, it will most likely be ignored, and Marta will pick the team how she sees fit. She's a newcomer to that aspect of gymnastics, but she's an AMAZING representation of the sport (Whether you like it or not, she has one of the highest Worlds/Olympic medal counts of any female gymnast), and will continue to coach, and probably judge, in the future, so why not start her early when she's still such a relevant public figure?

 

[kristenthegreat]

*whispers* I've always thought Nastia was a beautiful, talented gymnast. And much better on beam than Shawn.. Nastia has lines that Shawn could only dream of. Both are AMAZING at what they do. But maybe that's why American gymnasts struggle on bars- we are all about 'power power power', and that's NOT bars. Bars are lines and graceful strength (instead of a power-strength) - something American gymnasts are starting to shy away from. And as long as we do, we'll not be a strong bars country.

 

[chyeeaaa69]

*whispers* I've always thought Nastia was a beautiful, talented gymnast. And much better on beam than Shawn.. Nastia has lines that Shawn could only dream of. Both are AMAZING at what they do. But maybe that's why American gymnasts struggle on bars- we are all about 'power power power', and that's NOT bars. Bars are lines and graceful strength (instead of a power-strength) - something American gymnasts are starting to shy away from. And as long as we do, we'll not be a strong bars country.

I agree. I've always preferred Nastia on beam, I really hoped she'd win the beam finals at the Olympics. Not to take away from Shawn's talent, she's probably the most consistent gymnast I've ever seen on beam.
I think there's a few up and coming juniors who will do well when it comes to that grace and beauty that some current senior team members are lacking, especially Katelyn Ohashi, she has both, amazing power, and amazing lines. Not a HUGE fan of her bars routine, but from what I've seen, it's a good one in terms of difficulty and scoring, shame she won't be eligible for London.

 

[Gym D]

Your posts are coming off pretty rude. Also I don't think USA gymnastics really cares if some kids don't want Nastia on the selection committee. No offense but I don't think that you are high enough up in the gymnastics world to really know what peoples' opinions really are. I only say this because nobody can really be that involved in both the cheerleading and gymnastics worlds. It's kind of one or the other.

Definitely not. That's an arrogant statement.
Why can't anybody be involved in both the cheerleading and gymnastics worlds?

 

[cheererinIL]

Why can't anybody be involved in both the cheerleading and gymnastics worlds?

She said THAT involved. I agree that I think it would be difficult to dedicate yourself as a parent, athlete, or coach 100% to elite gymnastics and competitive cheerleading.

 

[chyeeaaa69]

She said THAT involved. I agree that I think it would be difficult to dedicate yourself as a parent, athlete, or coach 100% to elite gymnastics and competitive cheerleading.

once you've dedicated yourself to Elite, you don't have anything outside of it, but this girl is supposedly a level 9 gymnast, so I believe she could do it. I know a girl who is doing basically elite level gymnastics, just not the training regiment of elite, and cheerleading at the same time.