All-Star Cea Chicago

[cheerKT]

With everyone talking about what they would have done had they been in the coach's/athletes position, what would you have done if you were Darlene? You find out an employee has been making plans to leave and start a gym that would directly compete with you, you really wouldn't fire them? You have to protect your business and that was the option she found best. No, the timing wasn't the best but if you're taking the risk to do something like that while still employed you need to be ready for the consequences.

Agreed. But that goes both ways. Darlene needed to be ready for the consequences of firing her too, which they seem to be currently experiencing. The consequences of firing a coach (without a non compete)? They can go work somewhere else near you.

And the whole 'while she was employed' argument makes no sense to me. I know I do not work in cheerleading, but I will be interviewing/planning for my next job while I still have my current one. No one in their right mind would leave a position before looking for or securing another.

 

[astaley22]

Agreed. But that goes both ways. Darlene needed to be ready for the consequences of firing her too, which they seem to be currently experiencing. The consequences of firing a coach (without a non compete)? They can go work somewhere else near you.

And the whole 'while she was employed' argument makes no sense to me. I know I do not work in cheerleading, but I will be interviewing/planning for my next job while I still have my current one. No one in their right mind would leave a position before looking for or securing another.

I definitely agree with the other side of firing consequences. It seems she had the thought the athletes would finish the season.

As far as still being employed, I think there is a difference between looking for a new job while employed(which is the smartest way) and looking to start a whole new gym while currently coaching at one.

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

You said what I wanted to say in a much more tactful way than I think I could have. None of those situations listed would be okay in my book for me or CP to be involved in. I think it's very important to pick and chose who and what you associate yourself with and that is just a no on way too many platforms. Sticking out a commitment in that type of atmosphere makes me question the judgment of those who stood by the sidelines and put up with it; I'm not meaning to or trying to attack any one person, but at some point you cross to become the spectator to it and those people are often just as wrong as those committing the acts themselves.

You don't have to worry about mine or my parent's judgement, it's pretty good. But it amuses me to think you believe either me or my parents are just as bad as the kid who broke into the gym and stole money or the young coaches who did drugs with underaged kids, thats cool It couldn't be further from the truth.

Your "I'm not meaning to attack one person, but" is the same thing as someone saying "I don't mean to offend anyone but..." and then they say something offensive. Like it doesn't take away the hurt or something?

 

[RaRaMama]

You don't have to worry about mine or my parent's judgement, it's pretty good. But it amuses me to think you believe either me or my parents are just as bad as the kid who broke into the gym and stole money or the young coaches who did drugs with underaged kids, thats cool It couldn't be further from the truth.

Your "I'm not meaning to attack one person, but" is the same thing as someone saying "I don't mean to offend anyone but..." and then they say something offensive. Like it doesn't take away the hurt or something?

Easy there..... I think what the post was getting at was those items you mention would be total deal breakers (as they would be for me or my family). I don't see myself or this person judging you for sticking it out or saying you are as bad as people committing crimes. As a parent I'm saying I would make the executive decision to pull my kid away from adults/minors that were involved in that behavior....because it was illegal. I would not knowingly let me child be around illegal activity that could possibly endanger her.


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[Tator tots]

I definitely agree with the other side of firing consequences. It seems she had the thought the athletes would finish the season.

As far as still being employed, I think there is a difference between looking for a new job while employed(which is the smartest way) and looking to start a whole new gym while currently coaching at one.

I don't understand. If I want to open my own business/company but am working for someone else, I should quit my job since I don't own it before I look to open my own business?

She has every right to want to run/open her own gym. The owner where she was employed, has every right to fire her. But I find it hard to grasp that you shouldn't be thinking/planning your future or making your dream a reality while employed elsewhere.

 

[SL&AM]

You don't have to worry about mine or my parent's judgement, it's pretty good. But it amuses me to think you believe either me or my parents are just as bad as the kid who broke into the gym and stole money or the young coaches who did drugs with underaged kids, thats cool It couldn't be further from the truth.

Your "I'm not meaning to attack one person, but" is the same thing as someone saying "I don't mean to offend anyone but..." and then they say something offensive. Like it doesn't take away the hurt or something?

What struck me about your initial position is that we've both been in a similar boat around the same age. However, once you actually wrote out what you experienced and went through I realized our situations were not even remotely the same. In my scenario, my mental health suffered and why I feel looking back I shouldn't have stayed as long as I did. What I found to be an oxymoron though was your claim that pushing through your misery is somehow supposed to teacher greater life lessons that help with adult disappointment. That is where I took my pause, and you're right my comment was an attack and even though I don't mean it maliciously, I can understand why it might hurt your feelings. I'm sorry for that, I am, what I'm not sorry for is calling out that your situation---as you presented it---should never be okay for anyone to sit on the sidelines and ignore as if it's okay.

In life we stress to our youth that you don't have to be the person committing the crime or being the bully to be at fault for standing on the sidelines and doing nothing about it. In adulthood, we actually criminalize some behaviors simply because a person willingly stood to the side as an accomplice to criminal activity. In the situation, as you presented it, I do see that correlation and I won't apologize for it.

 

[fullinitup]

She also isn't forcing any of these parents to fork out any additional money. They are deciding on their own to follow her and agreeing to pay additional fees. They could stay and not waste money and join next season but clearly they feel like the additional expense is worth it. More power to them.

 

[Cheerfun2]

I don't fault the coach for wanting to start her own gym, and I don't fault the original gym for firing her when they found out she was opening a competing gym. To me, ideally, the coach would have been mature enough to tell her former team, "hey guys, I love you all & want to coach you...but you need to finish out the year with your team. I am going to concentrate on 1/4 year teams and setting up my tumbling, cheer prep classes...plus getting ready for tryouts in May. You all can tryout then." But of course I am sure she herself is quite young, and it hurts to get fired. It probably feels super to know that these athletes & parents trust you enough to follow you and even incur financial penalties to do so. So I don't even fault her. I mostly fault the parents of the leaving athletes. I GET that the kids love their coach, but she'll be coaching next year. Be with her then. Finish your commitment to your team (barring physical, mental abuse or illegal activities.) No, I am sure the fill-in coach won't be the same. It is 3 months. Deal.

 

[Markiesgirl]

I don't understand. If I want to open my own business/company but am working for someone else, I should quit my job since I don't own it before I look to open my own business?

She has every right to want to run/open her own gym. The owner where she was employed, has every right to fire her. But I find it hard to grasp that you shouldn't be thinking/planning your future or making your dream a reality while employed elsewhere.

Sure she has a right to open a gym/look for a new job while employed but don't plan to open a gym midseason 10 minutes from the hand that has fed you the last 7-8 years. I am sure THAT was the issue with Darlene.
Example that has nothing to do with cheer but it sticks out in my head of how this situation could have been played out. My father in law is a minister and led a VERY large church for over 25 years and was very loved by his congregation. He decided to retire but still wanted to be in the ministry but very part time. He knew if he went to the tiny church around the corner that people would follow him and he didn't want to harm the cohesiveness or cause any trouble with the large congregation. He moved to a small country church far enough away where he didn't take away from the large church. He was wished well, plans were made for his departure, there were zero hard feelings and the large congregation became family with his new church.
In my opinion cea should have been located in a place where it was not in direct competition with ice. Period . Kaley had no respect for Darlene doing this and CSP should have had respect for Darlene as a business owner to not do this to her as well.

 

[Tator tots]

Sure she has a right to open a gym/look for a new job while employed but don't plan to open a gym midseason 10 minutes from the hand that has fed you the last 7-8 years. I am sure THAT was the issue with Darlene.
Example that has nothing to do with cheer but it sticks out in my head of how this situation could have been played out. My father in law is a minister and led a VERY large church for over 25 years and was very loved by his congregation. He decided to retire but still wanted to be in the ministry but very part time. He knew if he went to the tiny church around the corner that people would follow him and he didn't want to harm the cohesiveness or cause any trouble with the large congregation. He moved to a small country church far enough away where he didn't take away from the large church. He was wished well, plans were made for his departure, there were zero hard feelings and the large congregation became family with his new church.
In my opinion cea should have been located in a place where it was not in direct competition with ice. Period . Kaley had no respect for Darlene doing this and CSP should have had respect for Darlene as a business owner to not do this to her as well.

To me, it's business, pure and simple. Not always pretty and rarely tied up in a neat little bow.

 

[scaliaa]

Sure she has a right to open a gym/look for a new job while employed but don't plan to open a gym midseason 10 minutes from the hand that has fed you the last 7-8 years. I am sure THAT was the issue with Darlene.
Example that has nothing to do with cheer but it sticks out in my head of how this situation could have been played out. My father in law is a minister and led a VERY large church for over 25 years and was very loved by his congregation. He decided to retire but still wanted to be in the ministry but very part time. He knew if he went to the tiny church around the corner that people would follow him and he didn't want to harm the cohesiveness or cause any trouble with the large congregation. He moved to a small country church far enough away where he didn't take away from the large church. He was wished well, plans were made for his departure, there were zero hard feelings and the large congregation became family with his new church.
In my opinion cea should have been located in a place where it was not in direct competition with ice. Period . Kaley had no respect for Darlene doing this and CSP should have had respect for Darlene as a business owner to not do this to her as well.

As of now, the permanent location for CEA has not been announced. As I understand it they are looking for a place central to the Western suburbs, and affordable. Temporarily they are using space at another gym. Not to stick it to Ice, but because that is what is available to them with not time to plan.

 

[Pebbles49]

Reading many responses as an outsider with no dog in the fight, many of you are talking as if, we live in a socialist society instead of a capitalist society. There is no such thing as caring for a business owner's feelings and pretty much want the injured ex-employee, with no income to care about the feelings of their ex-employer, who with no warning cut off their income...Had Darlene given Kaley some kind of severance (3 months) paid, then yes, Kaley should have waited, but with no income, Darlene hastened Kaley's need to start her gym now... So, if anybody should be blamed for this catastrophe, I think, I will blame Darlene...Why? Darlene reacted with hurt feelings and not think ahead of the impact of removing a popular coach mid-season and must live with the repercussions of her decision...

 

[Markiesgirl]

But how funny this is a sport where you hope the kids learn integrity and sportsmanship.

 

[EmmytheFlyer]

As of now, the permanent location for CEA has not been announced. As I understand it they are looking for a place central to the Western suburbs, and affordable. Temporarily they are using space at another gym. Not to stick it to Ice, but because that is what is available to them with not time to plan.

They are in Addison IL for the rest of this season, and what is floating around now is Schaumburg for next. Addison isn't close to ICE at all and Schaumburg is about 40 minutes on a GOOD traffic day. Schaumburg is a smidge more than halfway between Ultimate Athletics and ICE. More north towards Ultimate Athletics.


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[Tator tots]

But how funny this is a sport where you hope the kids learn integrity and sportsmanship.

This sport is a business as well.