All-Star Cheerleaders Season 3: Version 2

[Cheer Dad]

[QUOTE="Sharkie, post: 970417, member: 8431"

I did attend a camp this summer with several smoed kids, eddie , orby and John. What most shocked me was to see how some kids travelled from far just to sit on a bench on the side to watch and to giggle if one of the smoeds looked at them/spoke to them. untill the moment you could take pictures and they went all crazy talking tons of pictures with their "idols".

I'm curious what the future will bring and if all this madness will finally come to a stop.[/QUOTE]
Did the kids voluntarily sit so they could watch the Smoed kids or did the camp staff tell the kids just sit there and not allow them to participate?


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[anythingforcheer]

So confused about comparative scoring and how it works... it should be such an easy concept for me to get but i can't. #holidayhangover

Me too, can someone explain?

 

[Official OWECheer]

Me too, can someone explain?

From the Overstretch episode, I go the idea that (someone correct me if I'm wrong) if team A goes first, and they score 6.5/10 on tumbling, for example, the tumbling of every team that goes after them will be scored in relation (COMPARISON!) to 6.5. The problem is, you can only go so low/high because of score limits. So if a team's tumbling scores 2/10, and a LOT of other teams also score pitifully on tumbling, how much further below 2 can you score them?

It reminds me of how in figure skating (not sure whether this system is still used) the maximum performance score is a 6, and no two competitors can have the same score. So say the long programs are being scored, and 2 of them are 5.7 performances. Only one can score 5.7, which mean the other must score 5.6, 5.8, or any other available score (as decided by the judges, whose methods were so shady and subjective that they make cheer judging look like gymnastics judging). If the next available score was something like 5.3 then... oh well! That's what you got.

 

[Cheerfan1234]

I think that's the problem with comparative scoring. It's fine in division but once you are deciding bids, it's not fair. If you have 5 teams in a division, one being amazing and the rest being mediocre, the best of the 5 will get very high scores. But if you have 5 strong teams, they could possibly be lower as they score equally.

Yes, but it's not necessarily "fine" even within the same division. On Day 1, F5 had a fall, a couple of wobbly double-ups, and one flyer riding in the heel during their elite sequence. SE had minor technical building flaws, too, but IMO not as many as F5. Assuming they didn't outscore SE in technique that day, then it must have been in difficulty and/or creativity and that's what still doesn't make sense to me. I know I'm basing this on assumption, so that's why I was hoping someone could help me see it a different way. I like when things make sense to me lol.

 

[vannahlexis]

This is so off the wall and weird but I'm going to say it anyway just for funzies lol
To eliminate the first performance/different division disadvantage what if there was a pre-recorded video routine by a "team" of random athletes doing a very average, level appropriate routine. Basically, a video of what is expected of a team in that division/level. The video is then watched by the judges & performing teams get scored as better or worse than the "average" team.
Very random idea but it's a fun thought haha


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[mamabear]

Someone has been drinking the koolaid

Is anyone finding it strange that Gabi has posted two CEA related links this evening on Facebook? The first was asking for vote for a friend for Cheerleader of the Year and the second was about Molly Gibbons.

 

[SL&AM]

Is anyone finding it strange that Gabi has posted two CEA related links this evening on Facebook? The first was asking for vote for a friend for Cheerleader of the Year and the second was about Molly Gibbons.

Not really. I think Gabi has friends all over the country/world that are involved in cheer and maybe she's hoping to do the same scholarship thing Molly and Kiara got at Baylor?

 

[Official OWECheer]

This is so off the wall and weird but I'm going to say it anyway just for funzies lol
To eliminate the first performance/different division disadvantage what if there was a pre-recorded video routine by a "team" of random athletes doing a very average, level appropriate routine. Basically, a video of what is expected of a team in that division/level. The video is then watched by the judges & performing teams get scored as better or worse than the "average" team.
Very random idea but it's a fun thought haha


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That would be wonderful, they did that at CL last year and I hope it catches on.

 

[mamabear]

Not really. I think Gabi has friends all over the country/world that are involved in cheer and maybe she's hoping to do the same scholarship thing Molly and Kiara got at Baylor?

I know I just found it funny for some reason.

 

[SL&AM]

I know I just found it funny for some reason.

I definitely think Gabi cut ties at the right time. It'll be fun to see her grow at GT now.

 

[Keep_Believing]

Does anyone know if Cheer:Full Out (Coming on Jan. 15. Go behind the scenes with GymTyme Blink International Open Coed level 5 as they train for the 2015 season.) will be a one time episode or another cheer reality series?

 

[FamousMatty]

Yes, but it's not necessarily "fine" even within the same division. On Day 1, F5 had a fall, a couple of wobbly double-ups, and one flyer riding in the heel during their elite sequence. SE had minor technical building flaws, too, but IMO not as many as F5. Assuming they didn't outscore SE in technique that day, then it must have been in difficulty and/or creativity and that's what still doesn't make sense to me. I know I'm basing this on assumption, so that's why I was hoping someone could help me see it a different way. I like when things make sense to me lol.

Not to hijack this thread but this is just my personal thought on this particular topic. I am not agreeing with one teams score over the other just offering insight. As you said SE may very well have outscored on technique on day 1. The point spread falls to creativity and difficulty. In regards to difficulty I could see a judge looking at the two side by side and saying that F5 is harder due to the fact that all nine groups are doing the same hard stunt while SE breaks there's up and five groups do one thing and four do another etc. Also while SE has a visual aspect to it, it is a lot of repetition of the same skills throughout while 5 is individual different elements. Also just another thought, most judges as larger worlds bid events have most likely judged big events before. This is most likely not their first event ever and they're awarding a bid. In that thought process it is theoretically possible that judges are a bit biased and may say "meh it's the same formula for a sequence senior elite has been doing for years" and thus not find it nearly as creative. Again that is just a thought not me agreeing with the idea. Lastly, I do think there are something's that judges have formulated and are expecting to see in order to get scored well even with the comparative scoring. As an example, my senior 2 has scored VERY well all three competitions this season so far. We have had comments on our opening raving how much it is loved every performance. We do an asymmetrical opening with things going on various places on the floor. F5 also does this and they're scoring very well. I have seen quite a few teams doing it. Meanwhile, this is the year SE has gone to a traditional routine format (standing, stunt, jumps, running, basket, pyramid, dance). No second sequence and not ending in a pyramid. I may very well be that opening out of the box sets the stage for higher scores in the judges mind. Just my personal opinion.

 

[SL&AM]

Does anyone know if Cheer:Full Out (Coming on Jan. 15. Go behind the scenes with GymTyme Blink International Open Coed level 5 as they train for the 2015 season.) will be a one time episode or another cheer reality series?

Fairly certain it's a series.

Edited to add: Gabi specifically says on TY that she's so excited to be part of the new show and description is to follow their journey to World's.

 

[TheVipersMom]

I know everyone says the first up team is at a disadvantage in comparative scoring and yall had me all worried when comp season started as we have been first at quite a few comps this year in our division, and in fact we have been first for all of level 3 and still have not appeared to have been scored lower and have scored our usual difficulty scores of 9 in most every area consistently, so yes we have received perfect difficulty scores even when going first. I think judges know a difficult routine when they see one and score accordingly ... Idk I just see a lot of people say the team that went first was hurt when I haven't seen that to be true among any of our teams not just my daughters large j3

Just my personal experience and I don't mind going first just to get it out of the way!

 

[Keep_Believing]

I know everyone says the first up team is at a disadvantage in comparative scoring and yall had me all worried when comp season started as we have been first at quite a few comps this year in our division, and in fact we have been first for all of level 3 and still have not appeared to have been scored lower and have scored our usual difficulty scores of 9 in most every area consistently, so yes we have received perfect difficulty scores even when going first. I think judges know a difficult routine when they see one and score accordingly ... Idk I just see a lot of people say the team that went first was hurt when I haven't seen that to be true among any of our teams not just my daughters large j3

Just my personal experience and I don't mind going first just to get it out of the way!

I have heard it only effects you when you are up against more than 10 teams. Curious, so far how many teams have you gone against at one comp.?