- Sep 10, 2014
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Why are parents and athletes not told scores or placements on day 1 of a 2 day comp?
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Why are parents and athletes not told scores or placements on day 1 of a 2 day comp?
It’s my biggest frustration in the entire sport. I’ve been pushing for increased scoring transparency for years.
I hear what you are saying but am not sure how that relates to transparency? Not being snarky just don't know what I am missing...Our gym always shared scores and rankings, as well.
I'm torn on scores being released by EP's depending on the circumstance. If it is a paid bid comp where the bid divisions can't be judged by the same judge panel, then a review is needed by each arenas top teams in that bid division. There are 18 scored categories on a Varsity score sheet and just a difference of .1 in each category can vary a score by 1.8 and that's not an issue if the bid division is judged by the same panel. It's a huge issue if it's separate judge panels and one panel is averaging higher than the other, unless of course, you don't mind the paid bids always going to the arenas averaging higher scores. I've tallied scores for school comps before and the scores often vary 2-3 points by judge with all the different categories, it's not an exact science. It would be frustrating for Fabulous AS's to get a paid bid in Arena 1 when Much Better AS's deserved it in Arena 2, but their judges weren't scoring quite as generous. Unless parents want some divisions going until midnight, it's just a reality AS will deal with if they want "fair" scoring by bid division.
I hear what you are saying but am not sure how that relates to transparency? Not being snarky just don't know what I am missing...
Not being snarky, but....Just because a score is released, doesn't make it transparent. Baseball, basketball, soccer, etc are transparent, you make a goal, you get a specific amount of points. Cheer, dance and ice skating are subjective, it's fact, and the only way you get consistency is with the same panel of judges, and even Olympic ice skating throws out the highest and lowest scores. You can't tell me if level 3 is being judged in two different arena's and Arena 1's top teams are scoring in the 96's while Arena 2's are scoring in the 94's people aren't going to side eye the fact that all bids go to Arena 1. That is the trouble with immediate scoring in multiple arenas with multiple bid divisions and judge panels. Then there's the fact that if they do a review of Arena 1 and 2 top teams to be fair for the sake of bids with one new judge panel, and Arena 2 truly has some teams that deserve to earn bids, then you have people questioning the fact that they scored lower if you have so called immediate "transparent" scoring.
I'm a person that loves to chart, graph, and analyze numbers every which way, but realized the first year AS scoring varies greatly by arena and competition. Where is the "transparency" or value in having a score if it wasn't judged by the same panel of judges?
I think people would feel that releasing scores would at least be a step in the right direction. Yeah, you’re still going to have variations in points that reflect the judges’ subjective views, but at least the scores wouldn’t be treated like some dirty secret. Plus (I feel) it holds the judges to a higher standard; if the scores are required to be made public, then suddenly judges/EP’s are required to back them up.
Where is the "transparency" or value in having a score if it wasn't judged by the same panel of judges?
That's where I net out as well, and guess I wasn't missing anything. We can acknowledge that you probably can't keep all subjectivity out of scoring, and that certainly can feel bad at times, but keeping the scores secret does not make them less subjective.I think people would feel that releasing scores would at least be a step in the right direction. Yeah, you’re still going to have variations in points that reflect the judges’ subjective views, but at least the scores wouldn’t be treated like some dirty secret. Plus (I feel) it holds the judges to a higher standard; if the scores are required to be made public, then suddenly judges/EP’s are required to back them up.
I think people would feel that releasing scores would at least be a step in the right direction. Yeah, you’re still going to have variations in points that reflect the judges’ subjective views, but at least the scores wouldn’t be treated like some dirty secret. Plus (I feel) it holds the judges to a higher standard; if the scores are required to be made public, then suddenly judges/EP’s are required to back them up.