All-Star Usasf 2015-2017 Cheer Safety Rules

[luv2cheer92]

so according to the new glossary, a 2 man show and go, with a spotter on ankle and foot is now illegal?

I don't see that, what term is it under?

 

[annauk]

I don't see that, what term is it under?

It's under the definition for spotter. It is now part of the definition that the spotter cannot also be a base in a 2 foot stunt.


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[luv2cheer92]

It's under the definition for spotter. It is now part of the definition that the spotter cannot also be a base in a 2 foot stunt.


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I read that as if they have the front hand on the foot and the back hand on wrist/ankle they are considered a spotter, not a base, which wouldn't make a show and go illegal. Is that wrong?

 

[annauk]

I read that as if they have the front hand on the foot and the back hand on wrist/ankle they are considered a spotter, not a base, which wouldn't make a show and go illegal. Is that wrong?

It now specifically says that in a 2 leg stunt the base of one of the legs cannot also be the spotter, no matter the grip.

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[luv2cheer92]

It now specifically says that in a 2 leg stunt the base of one of the legs cannot also be the spotter, no matter the grip.

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I guess I'm interpreting that line differently, glad I'm not a coach.

 

[Keep_Believing]

Supports, braces and soft casts which are unaltered from the manufacturer’s original design/production do not require any additional padding. Supports/braces and soft casts that have been altered from the manufacturer’s original design/production must be padded with a closed-cell, slow-recovery foam padding no less than one-half inch thick if the participant is involved in stunts, pyramids or tosses. A participant wearing a plaster cast or a walking boot must not be involved in stunts, pyramids, tumbling or tosses. --That's super specific wording, but I get it.

I worry athletes will request removable cast, remove cast, remove walking boot, etc. in order to compete.

 

[dawgshow]

I worry athletes will request removable cast, remove cast, remove walking boot, etc. in order to compete.

That's a doctor/parent issue. Adults should be able to say no if there's a concern.

 

[Keep_Believing]

That's a doctor/parent issue. Adults should be able to say no if there's a concern.

True

 

[viralscorp]

Can someone explain how the definition of "floor stunt" in the glossary:
"Base lying on performance surface on their back with arm(s) extended. A “Floor Stunt” is a waist level stunt and as an added restriction this type of skill requires a spotter in levels 1 and 2,"
jives with the rule about stunt levels in Level 2:
"B. 1. Single leg stunts above prep level are not allowed. A single leg stunt may not pass above prep level. Clarification 1: Taking the top person in a single leg stunt above the head of the bases would be illegal. Clarification 2: If the primary bases squat, go to their knees or drop the overall height of the stunt while extending their arms, this skill would be considered extended and therefore illegal, regardless of the back spot’s positioning."

I guess I don't understand how lying on your back with your arms extended (in a lib position) is allowed while being on your knees with your arms extended is not allowed. I know there is a height difference there, but the base on the ground is also not in a position to move to protect themselves from someone stepping on their stomach.

Am I missing something? Do Level 1 and 2 teams do this kind of stunt?

Can I apply this logic to the other levels? I've (in general) applied that logic to other places - that a high-to-high tic-toc is illegal at L4 whether bases are on their feet or their knees. Can we high-to-high tic-toc in L4 when the bases are lying on the ground?

 

[FierceIsTheName]

Can someone explain how the definition of "floor stunt" in the glossary:
"Base lying on performance surface on their back with arm(s) extended. A “Floor Stunt” is a waist level stunt and as an added restriction this type of skill requires a spotter in levels 1 and 2,"
jives with the rule about stunt levels in Level 2:
"B. 1. Single leg stunts above prep level are not allowed. A single leg stunt may not pass above prep level. Clarification 1: Taking the top person in a single leg stunt above the head of the bases would be illegal. Clarification 2: If the primary bases squat, go to their knees or drop the overall height of the stunt while extending their arms, this skill would be considered extended and therefore illegal, regardless of the back spot’s positioning."

I guess I don't understand how lying on your back with your arms extended (in a lib position) is allowed while being on your knees with your arms extended is not allowed. I know there is a height difference there, but the base on the ground is also not in a position to move to protect themselves from someone stepping on their stomach.

Am I missing something? Do Level 1 and 2 teams do this kind of stunt?

Can I apply this logic to the other levels? I've (in general) applied that logic to other places - that a high-to-high tic-toc is illegal at L4 whether bases are on their feet or their knees. Can we high-to-high tic-toc in L4 when the bases are lying on the ground?

I've seen teams do this stunt (the level 1 extended arms thing), The reason I think its legal is because it has a spotter behind it, and to that spotter, the stunt is below waist level, whereas with the level 2 stunt, if the bases are, lets say, sitting on one knee, it'd still be extended to all of them.

Here's a video of the level 1 stunt for anyone who hasn't seen it: (stunt is at :20 ish)

 

[Keep_Believing]

Ignore wrong thread

 

[uhhlyssa01]

The cast thing will DEFINITELY influence teams and their alternate policies. You're not even allowed to take the mat anymore with certain casts- guess they found them dangerous.

The first thing I think of is the Panthers girl that competed at Worlds a few years ago with a brace and did the entire stunt sequence with one arm. I guess USASF wasn't amused...

 

[quietmom]

That's a doctor/parent issue. Adults should be able to say no if there's a concern.

Sadly, we all know that there are some parents out there that will push..........hopefully the doctors will force them to look at the bigger picture and not cave..........

 

[Keep_Believing]

I can see parents misleading Doctors about why they prefer the removable cast. As mentioned that falls on the parents.

 

[CFAmom2]

What about ACL braces and such? Are those going to be allowed?

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