All-Star Teams Only Going To Worlds On Paid Bids

[MissCongeniality]

Yes, the EP gets the money for paid bids off the entry fees of the competition giving out the bid. What I'm saying is if the teams that go to those competitions stop going because they will not get a paid bid, only an AL, then the EP will not have enough money for the Paid Bids. The competition fees paid by the the teams not getting bids or getting AL bids pay for Paid Bids.
I hope that makes sense.

So many teams will not get a paid bid. Many are absolutely over the top ecstatic to get an at large and get the opportunity to go to Worlds. I doubt programs will boycott a comp because they feel like they can't get the paid bid (because a better team is getting it) Really? Up your game and be the better team... don't go looking for a "lesser" comp where you feel you stand a better chance of getting $. In the end, at Worlds, you are still up against all the teams.

 

[luv2cheer92]

So many teams will not get a paid bid. Many are absolutely over the top ecstatic to get an at large and get the opportunity to go to Worlds. I doubt programs will boycott a comp because they feel like they can't get the paid bid (because a better team is getting it) Really? Up your game and be the better team... don't go looking for a "lesser" comp where you feel you stand a better chance of getting $. In the end, at Worlds, you are still up against all the teams.

Agreed, there are probably way more teams that are ecstatic for that at-large than there are teams that will only go on a paid.

 

[FullUpFierce]

WCSS 07 prelims...

So weird to think how their stunt sequence is mainly level three stunts apart from the double down from lib. How times have changed...

 

[Ashley]

I just wonder if part of the reason is that they changed the format of who makes it to finals. Since it used to be the top 50%, teams still didn't make finals, now that it's top 10 (well, has been since 2012), teams join the division just so they can say they made top 10/made it to finals. That may have nothing to do with it though. I think the lowest that division has been was 6 teams 2 years ago.

Or I wonder if top half meant excluding a couple of large senior teams that should make finals. Plus top half was probably way too many teams.

 

[luv2cheer92]

Or I wonder if top half meant excluding a couple of large senior teams that should make finals. Plus top half was probably way too many teams.

Oh yea it definitely was, I prefer the way it is now.

 

[Cheergrandma]

So many teams will not get a paid bid. Many are absolutely over the top ecstatic to get an at large and get the opportunity to go to Worlds. I doubt programs will boycott a comp because they feel like they can't get the paid bid (because a better team is getting it) Really? Up your game and be the better team... don't go looking for a "lesser" comp where you feel you stand a better chance of getting $. In the end, at Worlds, you are still up against all the teams.

I was just making a point to all the people who say the AL teams get "TRASHED" and say they don't belong at Worlds. Their money helped the EP with the paid bids. And No Team Should Be Trashed!!!!!

 

[MissCongeniality]

I was just making a point to all the people who say the AL teams get "TRASHED" and say they don't belong at Worlds. Their money helped the EP with the paid bids. And No Team Should Be Trashed!!!!!

Hey...I proudly admit that my cp was once on a team that placed somewhere south of 50 and I wouldn't change the experience for anything. That said it was a lot of $$$$$ for the experience. I was totally ok the following year when our program opted not to take the team on an at large.

 

[NJ Coach]

I was just making a point to all the people who say the AL teams get "TRASHED" and say they don't belong at Worlds. Their money helped the EP with the paid bids. And No Team Should Be Trashed!!!!!

While I absolutely agree no team should be trashed, I don't think ALL AL teams are included in that. There are plenty of teams on an AL that just had the bad luck of not running into a paid (geography, line up, etc all play a factor). I think the problem this board has had for years with some of the AL teams (or the money teams for that matter) is they may be better served in the restricted division, but because of geography, time of year etc, they ran into a bid.
Every year there is a discussion on this board about how far AL bids drop at some of the major competitions. NCA is usually known for that because many of the heavy hitters already have their bids, so the AL will drop down to the 20-30 placement.

 

[njallday]

I was just making a point to all the people who say the AL teams get "TRASHED" and say they don't belong at Worlds. Their money helped the EP with the paid bids. And No Team Should Be Trashed!!!!!

If a team isn't scoring AT LEAST a 200 out of a possible 300, I do not believe they should be there (and plenty of prelim teams in small coed/all-girl especially don't break 200, sadly.) However I would never trash a team. I would, however, trash USASF and their bid policies. it shouldn't be easy to get to the world championship of this sport. mediocre stunts and awful tumbling technique should not earn you an invitation.

If a team is awarded a bid of any kind and chooses to shell out thousands to compete, who am i to judge (so long as it isn't my checkbook.)

 

[Cheergrandma]

While I absolutely agree no team should be trashed, I don't think ALL AL teams are included in that. There are plenty of teams on an AL that just had the bad luck of not running into a paid (geography, line up, etc all play a factor). I think the problem this board has had for years with some of the AL teams (or the money teams for that matter) is they may be better served in the restricted division, but because of geography, time of year etc, they ran into a bid.
Every year there is a discussion on this board about how far AL bids drop at some of the major competitions. NCA is usually known for that because many of the heavy hitters already have their bids, so the AL will drop down to the 20-30 placement.

I agree. If you were way down in placements at a bid comp, you probably won't do well in Worlds unless you just happen to have had a bad day and don't go to a lot of bid comps. We only went to 3 bid comps (2 of them early in the season) so the heavy hitters beat us and honestly, we did not perform like we deserved a bid because of many reasons. I'm glad we didn't get a bid for a poor performance. It took us until March to get our act together and get an AL bid and it was well deserved.

This is probably going to be my granddaughter's last year as an All star (after 11 years) and her goal was to be on a L5 team and step on the Worlds Mat and perform. I cannot be happier for her!! Good Luck to all teams whether Pd, PP or AL.

 

[NJ Coach]

I agree. If you were way down in placements at a bid comp, you probably won't do well in Worlds unless you just happen to have had a bad day and don't go to a lot of bid comps. We only went to 3 bid comps (2 of them early in the season) so the heavy hitters beat us and honestly, we did not perform like we deserved a bid because of many reasons. I'm glad we didn't get a bid for a poor performance. It took us until March to get our act together and get an AL bid and it was well deserved.

This is probably going to be my granddaughter's last year as an All star (after 11 years) and her goal was to be on a L5 team and step on the Worlds Mat and perform. I cannot be happier for her!! Good Luck to all teams whether Pd, PP or AL.

Sometimes it takes that long to run into a bid. Sometimes it's just bad luck to not get one at all. Good Luck to your granddaughter!

 

[UCFKnights07]

If a team isn't scoring AT LEAST a 200 out of a possible 300, I do not believe they should be there (and plenty of prelim teams in small coed/all-girl especially don't break 200, sadly.) However I would never trash a team. I would, however, trash USASF and their bid policies. it shouldn't be easy to get to the world championship of this sport. mediocre stunts and awful tumbling technique should not earn you an invitation.

If a team is awarded a bid of any kind and chooses to shell out thousands to compete, who am i to judge (so long as it isn't my checkbook.)

see this is why i always enjoyed the earlier format of worlds back in the very beginning when it was more exclusive. i get thats its become more of a money maker for them at this point, but i still feel like there should be a cut off number of how many teams go in each division. obviously being in certain divisions (large senior/large coed) you basically get an automatic pass into the finals, but small coed and small senior are ridiculously large. i feel like maybe 30 per division, and only half make it into finals would be nice. idk.

 

[TumblexSnap]

we only accept paid bids because we know we are 100% capable of them. We are a second year level 5 team and have received a paid bid to worlds both years. Least year making it to finals.

 

[alexamarysouza]

Whenever I think about teams marking at worlds I immediately remember that cool pyramid Charlotte had way back when...tshirts and everything!

 

[ACEDAD]

Couple of things:

1. The teams marking at Worlds weren't competing. History lesson: when Worlds first started there were only paid bids. It was exclusive and wonderful and all was right with the world. Then some teams complained that they could have competed and were willing to go even if they had to pay their own way. So, the birth of at large bids and again all was right with the world. Then the teams that had earned paid bids complained that it wasn't fair for the at large teams to have the exact same shot to win as the teams that had earned paid bids. Why couldn't their excellence and hard work be rewarded? So, the birth of prelims to separate the lowly at large bid teams from the glorious paid bid winners. And all was right with the world. Then at large teams that competed in prelims started defeating paid bid teams and it was discovered that being able to compete in prelims actually gave the at large teams an advantage because they got to experience the lights and crowd and reduce the butterflies before competing in finals. So, the paid bid teams got to alternate with the competing at large teams with the chance to throw whatever they wanted. And, yet again, all was right with the world.

This was the evolution of the marking of routines.

2. Money is fungible. One cannot directly trace the travel of a dollar. However, just for clarification, the money for the paid bids is the membership fee that EPs are charged to be part of USASF. So, does it come from the teams competing at the event or advertising of the vendors or.... Not sure it really matters.

3. @TumblexSnap gave the best and most concise reason for why teams will accept only paid bids. And different teams will likely have different standards within the same gym. At ACE, Warriors are fully expected to earn a paid bid. Other teams are not given the same bar to reach. It's not even close to a sportsmanship issue.


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