All-Star Instead Of Reducing Tumbling How About Huge Tumble Bust Deductions

[Philly Pherocious]

Our kids at Rays definitely do not compete the skills they can attempt in the gym. As far as a fluke people will only put in skills they know will never fluke. Now we go into worlds excited to watch routines but ALSO not knowing who will win. It will come down to difficulty AND hitting.

There are no flukes. If you can't hit 100 out of 100 you shouldn't compete it. Thats why these rules are changing. We gotta choose one or the other.

That would be the case if no one ever choked on stage.

 

[King]

That would be the case if no one ever choked on stage.

Chokers are more likely to get injured. And that is the problem.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

How many people are getting injured when they actually fall, opposed to landing incorrectly? I know plenty of people that have LANDED skills and still torn ACLs, etc. Just because you land, doesn't mean it is executed properly.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

There are no flukes. If you can't hit 100 out of 100 you shouldn't compete it. Thats why these rules are changing. We gotta choose one or the other.

I am sure I can find you an example of someone who hit a skill 100 out of 100 times in the gym and in a single competition in all of their times competing, had one slight issue.

I can probably think of tons of athletes that would fall into this boat but once in their career had a minor error.

 

[Mclovin]

I am sure I can find you an example of someone who hit a skill 100 out of 100 times in the gym and in a single competition in all of their times competing, had one slight issue.

I can probably think of tons of athletes that would fall into this boat but once in their career had a minor error.

Well then that ONE minor error just cost their team a title....

 

[Philly Pherocious]

That is a problem, but unfortunately there is no known remedy to choking on stage. Someone who has cheered for 10 years could choke if something freaked them out. Higher deductions isn't going tO be able to keep someone from choking. If anything it will add to the stress ad cause more choking.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

Well then that ONE minor error just cost their team a title....

And that will be more heart breaking to a kid then telling them they can't do a double punch double any more.

 

[King]

I am sure I can find you an example of someone who hit a skill 100 out of 100 times in the gym and in a single competition in all of their times competing, had one slight issue.

I can probably think of tons of athletes that would fall into this boat but once in their career had a minor error.

I believe lots of people were comparing to gymnastics. If you bust or make a mistake in gymnastics do you still win the Olympics?

 

[GreatWhite92]

more than likely the problem becomes before the skill being executed, a bad backhandspring so to say, if your kids know that they will fall because of a bad backhandspring than they are more likely to throw a lay out instead of chucking that double around because you don't want to disappoint your coaches.

 

[Philly Pherocious]

I believe lots of people were comparing to gymnastics. If you bust or make a mistake in gymnastics do you still win the Olympics?

No but you can bobble on the beam and still win all around. Cheerleading isn't one element at a time like gymnastics is.

 

[MomOf2ThatsMe]

more than likely the problem becomes before the skill being executed, a bad backhandspring so to say, if your kids know that they will fall because of a bad backhandspring than they are more likely to throw a lay out instead of chucking that double around because you don't want to disappoint your coaches.

And hence why I think half + 1 to max out tumbling is a good idea.

 

[drewpate]

And that will be more heart breaking to a kid then telling them they can't do a double punch double any more.

Just saying... Bet you wouldn't have complained if CEA's one little stunt drop had cost them the title when they won worlds?

 

[kristenthegreat]

I believe lots of people were comparing to gymnastics. If you bust or make a mistake in gymnastics do you still win the Olympics?

Ask Komova about that..just because it's heartbreaking to lose an AA on a double turn doesn't mean we shouldn't make deductions emphasize the severity. Or ask Alicia Sacremone about Beijing. Isn't that how gymnastics did it? You fall off beam, you just cost your team Olympics gold. It happens. And who says it has to stay that way forever? As international teams get better, we increase tumbling weight in the international divisions. As tumbling gets better and more regulated, we alter the tumbling deductions a bit..

 

[mariahnicole1216]

I feel like this could work. For one of our score sheets in IL, whether it's a stunt fall or a tumble bust, it's still 4 points deducted. I think it works too because in warmups when someone doesn't seem to be landing they pull it or water it down immediately. I imagine that coaches would see that its better to have a watered down pass than to bust...

 

[imrichhowboutu]

Just saying... Bet you wouldn't have complained if CEA's one little stunt drop had cost them the title when they won worlds?

First I believe that a group of athletes involved in something should be more of a deduction than a single athlete.

And if I saw my favorite team win over someone else, of course I would like that.