All-Star Is It The Judges Fault That There Is No Change At The Top

[NEliteSteven]

yes i agree but it cant be that big of a difference! i do as well know people from cali i try not to be biased but i mean i still dont believe it could have been that much of a difference.

They're timing in their opening 3 to doubles was completely off. Oranges timing on ALL tumbling was practically flawless, on top of extremely clean execution. I think joytomylifex was being nice when she said there were "a few" incompletes". You cannot base execution scores based on Cali's 5 exceptional tumblers. Aren't jumps a part of that tumbling score as well? I think we all know who scored highest in that dept.

 

[CrownedtheGR8est]

Also, please use spell check

 

[CEAisstronger]

I haven't read the whole posting but South Elite mentioned earlier in 2008 they won In international all girl. Smaller less known gym there

 

[Coach Troy]

Most of what I have read only goes to prove the point that "reputation" is an inherent boost for some teams...
Team A has traditionally been great jumpers so the starting score in the judges mind is high, never mind the back row...team B is traditionally sloppy so the starting score in the judges mind is low never mind that on that particular day they looked clean......and so on and so on. Do falls and bobbles and technique and form really come only from what is put on the mat??
So I say again is it the judges fault and not the athletes or programs fault that placements seem to stay the same???
Can we continue with the old opinions or do we need to find fresh eyes and a new perspective??

 

[buffyyy]

The "big name" thing has definitely played a role in determining placements of teams in the past and you're a fool if you say it doesn't. If you question this, go watch ICE Lightning's Day 1 Worlds 2012 Performance and then Smoke's Day 1 Worlds 2012 Performance and inform me on how in the world they were able to score higher than Lightning.:cow:

 

[Deleted member 1556]

The "big name" thing has definitely played a role in determining placements of teams in the past and you're a fool if you say it doesn't. If you question this, go watch ICE Lightning's Day 1 Worlds 2012 Performance and then Smoke's Day 1 Worlds 2012 Performance and inform me on how in the world they were able to score higher than Lightning.:cow:

Execution..Smoke was cleaner than ICE. Jumps..Smoke's were better and better executed as well. It's pretty simple when you break it down.

 

[ztaprincess]

The "big name" thing has definitely played a role in determining placements of teams in the past and you're a fool if you say it doesn't. If you question this, go watch ICE Lightning's Day 1 Worlds 2012 Performance and then Smoke's Day 1 Worlds 2012 Performance and inform me on how in the world they were able to score higher than Lightning.:cow:

Smoke was cleaner and had better execution. Stingrays as a whole has perfected what it means to execute things to hit the scoresheet and get the points. Smoke didn't have the most difficult stunts, but they were cleaner then other teams. People are forgetting that difficulty isn't the only part of the scoresheet. Call me a fool all you want, but I think the placements were pretty accurate after seeing videos.

 

[GreatWhite92]

Ok so since everyone is screaming execution, I will say one more time...if execution is so important (which it is) it needs its on category, not just thrown in with everything else! You cant just throw it in with difficulty and performance and expect everything to be right. It needs its own category. I hate the fact that difficulty is being scored with execution. It leaves such a big grey area.

 

[ztaprincess]

Ok so since everyone is screaming execution, I will say one more time...if execution is so important (which it is) it needs its on category, not just thrown in with everything else! You cant just throw it in with difficulty and performance and expect everything to be right. It needs its own category. I hate the fact that difficulty is being scored with execution. It leaves such a big grey area.

It is its own category. You have a difficulty score and an execution score that it totaled together. Unless I am completely misunderstanding the scoresheets on the USASF website, it is separate from difficulty. There is an execution and a difficulty score for every section of the scoresheet.

 

[buffyyy]

Smoke was cleaner and had better execution. Stingrays as a whole has perfected what it means to execute things to hit the scoresheet and get the points. Smoke didn't have the most difficult stunts, but they were cleaner then other teams. People are forgetting that difficulty isn't the only part of the scoresheet. Call me a fool all you want, but I think the placements were pretty accurate after seeing videos.

well a tumbling bust and a pyramid issue from smoke isn't particularly clean. Lightning had difficulty AND executed it.

 

[garretttt]

small senior was not right placement. i can say that...there is no way that a team throwing 4 1 to whip dub standing and several specialty passes for running would get so low of a score for tumbling. cali had better tumbling this year then they did last year and they got scored lower this year.

Oranges doubles went twice. And they were cleaner/better technique. 4 1 to whip dubs dont win you worlds when there is 20 people on the mat.

 

[garretttt]

well a tumbling bust and a pyramid issue from smoke isn't particularly clean. Lightning had difficulty AND executed it.

Lightning beat them day 2 so why does it even matter?

 

[Coach Troy]

I am sorry that this thread is turning into I should have won and your team shouldn't, this was not my intention.

I wanted to know people's opinions about the judges and the role they play in causing a bottleneck at the top....

I think it's time to lock this forum. Sorry it took this route.

 

[Underestimated]

Spirit Central Bengals did amazing this year!

 

[BlueCat]

Ok so since everyone is screaming execution, I will say one more time...if execution is so important (which it is) it needs its on category, not just thrown in with everything else! You cant just throw it in with difficulty and performance and expect everything to be right. It needs its own category. I hate the fact that difficulty is being scored with execution. It leaves such a big grey area.

Someone should look at the scoresheets before they post. Execution is its own category on both the Varsity scoresheet and the Worlds ones.