All-Star 2012 - 2013 Videos

[AndrewSky]

why shouldnt the people throwing fulls be able to compete in the division they deserve to? this is a huge problem with small gyms, when you dont have enough athletes to choose from. if they have all level 5 stunts, but some layouts why shouldnt they be allowed to compete in level 5? i definitely agree with the safety though. ive seen many level 5 and 6 teams that i honestly thought someone was going to get seriously injured because the team as a whole was not ready for their level

This is why the "restricted" category was created...
For teams who don't necessarily have the talent of worlds-competitive teams.

 

[Cheeranswers]

This is why the "restricted" category was created...
For teams who don't necessarily have the talent of worlds-competitive teams.

THANK. YOU. it may not have came across that way (and i realize that now) but this is what i was trying to get at. i didnt really say it, but i was for the most part talking about people saying that restricted teams dont have enough fulls

 

[AndrewSky]

THANK. YOU. it may not have came across that way (and i realize that now) but this is what i was trying to get at. i didnt really say it, but i was for the most part talking about people saying that restricted teams dont have enough fulls

well, you do need fulls to be restricted. If not, why not be an amazing four?

 

[chyeeaaa69]

I do somewhat agree with one of the points Cheeranswers made though. Not talking about Tribe here, but in general a lot of gyms have to field a below-average level 5 team in order to build their program up to one day having a competitive level 5 team. For example, at the gym I go to, the Youth 4 team (that was completely maxed out at level 4) with only 2 or 3 fulls, and no standing passes to full, went level 5 last year to push them. This year, if I remember correctly, more than half the team is pulling level 5 or very close to level 5 skills, and the level of stunting has improved drastically. 8 or 9 year olds had previously not had a reason to push for level 5 as the highest was level 4 (and I believe before last year it was level 3), but now there are more 8 or 9 year olds with level 5 tumbling at the gym than ever before. Would the team have been competitive in level 5 last year? Not at all, but programs have to start somewhere, even if they are the largest program in Canada.

 

[Cheeranswers]

well, you do need fulls to be restricted. If not, why not be an amazing four?

i agree with this! i just dont know where people get their idea of how many is enough. i think its ultimately up to them and their coaches. they may not win, but if they have the skills, like it and want to push themselves i think thats great, and no one should tell them they dont deserve to compete that level!

 

[Cheeranswers]

I do somewhat agree with one of the points Cheeranswers made though. Not talking about Tribe here, but in general a lot of gyms have to field a below-average level 5 team in order to build their program up to one day having a competitive level 5 team. For example, at the gym I go to, the Youth 4 team (that was completely maxed out at level 4) with only 2 or 3 fulls, and no standing passes to full, went level 5 last year to push them. This year, if I remember correctly, more than half the team is pulling level 5 or very close to level 5 skills, and the level of stunting has improved drastically. 8 or 9 year olds had previously not had a reason to push for level 5 as the highest was level 4 (and I believe before last year it was level 3), but now there are more 8 or 9 year olds with level 5 tumbling at the gym than ever before. Would the team have been competitive in level 5 last year? Not at all, but programs have to start somewhere, even if they are the largest program in Canada.

you should have just written my rant for me.. pretty much sums up what i was trying to say! thank you

 

[AndrewSky]

i agree with this! i just dont know where people get their idea of how many is enough. i think its ultimately up to them and their coaches. they may not win, but if they have the skills, like it and want to push themselves i think thats great, and no one should tell them they dont deserve to compete that level!

Well to me there's no point in competing in a division you can't be competitive in.
That's like Youth Silver deciding to compete against Junior Mafia...

 

[Ashley]

Well to me there's no point in competing in a division you can't be competitive in.
That's like Youth Silver deciding to compete against Junior Mafia...

It's also a very real business decision for some gyms. You might keep some athletes on your weaker level 5 time that would go elsewhere otherwise. Maybe you have a strong senior 4 that they can double compete on. Very rarely is a team strong in level 5 their first year with that team. You build up to it.

 

[chyeeaaa69]

Better video. Channel also has CEA Medium Coed 5

 

[NJ Coach]

Better video. Channel also has CEA Medium Coed 5

I thought point flyer graduated last year?

 

[drewpate]

What happened to them. They use to be fairly decent.

No reason to hate on them (this post is about to rant and not be aimed at you specifically)
But how can people hate on teams that go out looking like a hot mess throwing skills they can't land in a routine, but then trash another team that waters down tumbling to be SAFE both for the athletes and deductions. It makes me mad every time I see it, they actually went out and hit a routine, which doesn't happen often this early, and BEAT 8 other decent level 5 times. This really gets to me since I'm close friends with this program, so this is somewhat personal for me, but people judging an entire gym for a lack of twisting skills in their second comp this season is uncalled for no matter how big or small the name. It's not like they went out with 1 full and 1 double people. And I know that past success counts for nothing this season, but they did win 3 straight NCA titles with Chiefs so its not like they don't know what their doing and that they don't know their tumbling is weaker this year... That being said I know tumbling should get better (I've seen their practices and what their capable of) and while they probably aren't a top ten this year, everyone has to go through rebuilding years sometimes. Would it have been smarter to not have a level 5 just because they aren't at an ultra elite level and potentially lose all of the great athletes to other local gyms? Heck no.
If anything people should give Ja-Mez and David credit for not pushing these kids to do skills they aren't ready to compete yet. Sometimes it takes a better coach to know when to say no.

Ok off my soapbox now.

 

[Underestimated]

this isnt directed at anyone in particular, but i find it really bothers me when people say "too many tucks/layouts in tumbling" for a level 5 team, for a few reasons. 1. you do not know about their program. maybe they have level 5 team and a restricted level 5 team. the restricted team wont have full team fulls because chances are if its a small program they dont have enough level 5 athletes to choose from. does that mean they shouldnt make team? no. 2. they may have some level 4 tumbling athletes, but does that mean that the team should be level 4, even though they have quite a few level 5 tumbling athletes? if they didnt have that team the level 5 athletes wouldnt be able to push themselves and compete in a division that they belong in. i just dont think its fair to say that they have "too many tucks/layouts to be a level 5 team" because its not your place to judge, and some people are just not naturally gifted in tumbling, but may be great level 5 stunters. sorry for the really long rant, i just think its really unfair, and i may be the only one thinking this but thats okay

Your comment makes no sense. But, okay.

A team should be placed in a level where its LEVEL APPROPRIATE. If a coach wants to put a level 4 team on a s5 R because let's say because..... They have double downs andkick doubles than that's a lossing battle since tumbling isa requirement in their division. No one is judging just stating the obvious facts.

 

[Underestimated]

Well to me there's no point in competing in a division you can't be competitive in.
That's like Youth Silver deciding to compete against Junior Mafia...

But youth silver has backhandsprings :-p

 

[Cheeranswers]

Your comment makes no sense. But, okay.

A team should be placed in a level where its LEVEL APPROPRIATE. If a coach wants to put a level 4 team on a s5 R because let's say because..... They have double downs andkick doubles than that's a lossing battle since tumbling isa requirement in their division. No one is judging just stating the obvious facts.

tumbling is requirement in all levels. but no where does it say "for a team to be in a level 5 division they must have __ fulls", so how is that a fact? i think a team should have the ability to be in ANY division that they want, regardless of wether or not you think they're "worthy".

 

[ErinS]

Maybe they are still not totally comfortable with all the skills and they are more focused on getting through it rather then entertaining right now?

...sure... maybe....Didn't say anything was wrong with their performance.... I just agreed with how they looked in that particular performance.

Being entertaining is subjective anyhow.