All-Star Attitude Of Bases

[Helen uk uni cheer]

A couple of days ago I was fronting a half up to extension and the flyer didnt stay tight and managed I dont know how to head butt me with her chin leaving a a massive bump 1inch from my head!!

Later I said to a coach if I was had a massive lump on my head and I was on the ground imagine how badly the flyer would have been injured if I did catch her and they said that was a good attitude that some people dont get.

My question is why isnt the attitude of bases like that because even at a lower level you have the saftey of the flyer in your hands!!

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

My bases (generally speaking) take basing seriously.

See also: If flyers are having issues staying tight in extensions, it's time to go back to basics and work on drills (hollow hang drills, etc.)

 

[Helen uk uni cheer]

My bases (generally speaking) take basing seriously.

See also: If flyers are having issues staying tight in extensions, it's time to go back to basics and work on drills (hollow hang drills, etc.)

The flyer was filling in for that practice and after the incident she was tight the whole time after that. Its just working on consitancey

 

[dawgshow]

Well the jaded answer is that sometimes bases think they should be flying and figure if the flyer keeps falling then she'll get pulled from the air.
I think that many times, though, self preservation instincts kick in and people step out of the way of potential injury. Only training changes that.


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[caitlyn_the_camille]

Well the jaded answer is that sometimes bases think they should be flying and figure if the flyer keeps falling then she'll get pulled from the air.


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Nothing frustrates me more than this.


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[FierceIsTheName]

I know sometimes when im basing, i can't process whats going on fast enough to dive under the flyer, and it is too late, and i could land on her, which would be worse. most times when i'm basing with new bases, they like to hold onto the flyers foot, and that makes it worse. I wouldn't say its an "attitude" problem. If a person is that shallow enough to not catch their flyer on purpose, i wouldn't want to base with them.

ETA: Wait, bases actually drop their flyers to try to get them pulled from flying so they can fly?? I have never heard something so crazy.

 

[caitlyn_the_camille]

ETA: Wait, bases actually drop their flyers to try to get them pulled from flying so they can fly?? I have never heard something so crazy.

I coach level one, and most of the time it's "I can't do this", or even worse "She's too heavy". (I'm not a flyer so idk but I would be hurt if someone told me I was too heavy. Maybe not at that young, but still.) Or sometimes they just won't make corrections when told to do so. Ex: coach: dip with your legs, Suzie.
Susie: *straight leg dead lifts flyer*
coach: lock your arms, Suzie
Suzie: fails to lock arms after being told the next 15 times.


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[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

ETA: Wait, bases actually drop their flyers to try to get them pulled from flying so they can fly?? I have never heard something so crazy.

I coach level one, and most of the time it's "I can't do this", or even worse "She's too heavy". (I'm not a flyer so idk but I would be hurt if someone told me I was too heavy. Maybe not at that young, but still.) Or sometimes they just won't make corrections when told to do so. Ex: coach: dip with your legs, Suzie.
Susie: *straight leg dead lifts flyer*
coach: lock your arms, Suzie
Suzie: fails to lock arms after being told the next 15 times.

This.

It's never been an outright "I'm just going to drop her on her head" because I would probably tell them to get off my floor.

It's more like complaining about the flyer, saying "my arms are too weak for this," being all "basing is bad on my back", repeatedly doing the wrong thing.

Usually, this comes from a girl who flew in the past but is now a base (ex: the girl who flew on Y2 last year but is now the tallest girl on Y2 this year and her height is needed elsewhere.)

The rationale is that if they show you how bad they are at basing, you'll put them back in the air.

They fail to realize that (as I've said in another thread) with every complaint, they're not getting closer to flying. They're getting closer to Nuggetville.

 

[12stepCheermom]

Battered bases anonymous (BBA) club mom rant on the way....


I've got two base/backspots that take their job very seriously. And both have had far more concussions, blood loss, teeth loss, bruises and mat burn than any of their flyers have ever had. For as much as they'd like to drop one every now and then...they have too much "professional pride" to ever have their stunt be the one coming down...so they're all in. And their stunts stay up.

What I really wish (and have mentioned this in previous threads) is that it went both ways. I'm generally completely over the "those bases better not drop me/my Susie because she could get hurt" attitude when the flyer doesn't get/realize/care that they have an equal responsibility to keep their bases safe from THEM when they don't lock out, don't get tight, throw their head in a double down, don't keep their feet together etc....

It's always a one sided argument and no one ever seems to care when a bases teeth are on the mat that perfect Susie is the one who caused it because she won't take correction from a coach. Keeping a stunt group safe means everyone has a job to do. I'd at least appreciate if a death spiral flyer would recognize and/or apologize to the base they just creamed who put themselves between Susie and the mat because Susie didn't do her job...rather than getting up and looking at the base like it was their fault.

I've seen that far more than I care to discuss in my 8 years watching this (and getting my kids treated for injuries).

/endrant


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[cheer25mom]

This.

It's never been an outright "I'm just going to drop her on her head" because I would probably tell them to get off my floor.

It's more like complaining about the flyer, saying "my arms are too weak for this," being all "basing is bad on my back", repeatedly doing the wrong thing.

Usually, this comes from a girl who flew in the past but is now a base (ex: the girl who flew on Y2 last year but is now the tallest girl on Y2 this year and her height is needed elsewhere.)

The rationale is that if they show you how bad they are at basing, you'll put them back in the air.

They fail to realize that (as I've said in another thread) with every complaint, they're not getting closer to flying. They're getting closer to Nuggetville.

This exactly. Dealing with it now on CP's team. I call it "wannabe flyer syndrome"


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[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

12step:

Definitely important for coaches to make sure that flyers are doing their job as well.

True story, I pulled one of my school cheer flyers permanently one season because her full downs were scaring me and I would have felt personally responsible for her bases losing teeth.

 

[cheer25mom]

Battered bases anonymous (BBA) club mom rant on the way....


I've got two base/backspots that take their job very seriously. And both have had far more concussions, blood loss, teeth loss, bruises and mat burn than any of their flyers have ever had. For as much as they'd like to drop one every now and then...they have too much "professional pride" to ever have their stunt be the one coming down...so they're all in. And their stunts stay up.

What I really wish (and have mentioned this in previous threads) is that it went both ways. I'm generally completely over the "those bases better not drop me/my Susie because she could get hurt" attitude when the flyer doesn't get/realize/care that they have an equal responsibility to keep their bases safe from THEM when they don't lock out, don't get tight, throw their head in a double down, don't keep their feet together etc....

It's always a one sided argument and no one ever seems to care when a bases teeth are on the mat that perfect Susie is the one who caused it because she won't take correction from a coach. Keeping a stunt group safe means everyone has a job to do. I'd at least appreciate if a death spiral flyer would recognize and/or apologize to the base they just creamed who put themselves between Susie and the mat because Susie didn't do her job...rather than getting up and looking at the base like it was their fault.

I've seen that far more than I care to discuss in my 8 years watching this (and getting my kids treated for injuries).

/endrant


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My CP is the same and it really bothers me that it is ALWAYS the base's fault if a flyer touches the mat, but a flyer is never responsible when her poor technique causes a base to be injured.


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[dawgshow]

ETA: Wait, bases actually drop their flyers to try to get them pulled from flying so they can fly?? I have never heard something so crazy.

Yep it happens. I've seen it and heard it confessed. Girls really need to remember that a closed bathroom stall often means someone can hear you talk.



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[12stepCheermom]

Yep it happens. I've seen it and heard it confessed. Girls really need to remember that a closed bathroom stall often means someone can hear you talk.



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I knew of one that dropped her flyer on purpose because she didn't like her....at worlds. No. Lie. She bragged about it.


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[caitlyn_the_camille]

I knew of one that dropped her flyer on purpose because she didn't like her....at worlds. No. Lie. She bragged about it.


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That girl would never see the inside of my gym again.


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