All-Star Themed Practice Controversy

[astaley22]

Unpopular opinion apparently but when other groups stereotype white/Caucasian people its offensive too. I'm sorry if you feel that since we have "white privilege" its okay for minority groups to make fun of a be racist towards us. I've always lived in larger cities and in my high school there was a large percentage of black kids and they were outright rude to us. I understand there are different histories between different races but that doesn't make it okay for one to be rude to another because of what their ancestors may or may not have done to theirs.

Sorry for the rant but racism goes both ways.

 

[Pip22]

Unpopular opinion apparently but when other groups stereotype white/Caucasian people its offensive too. I'm sorry if you feel that since we have "white privilege" its okay for minority groups to make fun of a be racist towards us. I've always lived in larger cities and in my high school there was a large percentage of black kids and they were outright rude to us. I understand there are different histories between different races but that doesn't make it okay for one to be rude to another because of what their ancestors may or may not have done to theirs.

Sorry for the rant but racism goes both ways.

Sigh..

It IS wrong when other groups stereotype others, including white people.
Be careful to not confuse people not liking you with racism though. Also prejudices and racism isn't always the same thing, not that you think it is, just a note.

Also don't put white privilege in inverted commas as if it doesn't exist because it does. And don't think hostility that you received was because of that... I'd google the meaning of it before you make those kind of comments.

 

[cheernerd5678]

Unpopular opinion apparently but when other groups stereotype white/Caucasian people its offensive too. I'm sorry if you feel that since we have "white privilege" its okay for minority groups to make fun of a be racist towards us. I've always lived in larger cities and in my high school there was a large percentage of black kids and they were outright rude to us. I understand there are different histories between different races but that doesn't make it okay for one to be rude to another because of what their ancestors may or may not have done to theirs.

Sorry for the rant but racism goes both ways.

:banghead: obviously in an ideal world everyone would treat people the same regardless of race. But that's not the case. "Racism" towards white people is NOT the same as *actual* racism toward minorities. Just like skinny shaming is not the same as fat shaming. Because it may hurt your feelings, but it doesn't affect your success in life. It doesn't keep you from getting a job or anything. It doesn't extend past the rude comments. Should anyone be making rude comments about anyone else? No, but id sure as heck rather be talked about then deal with all the stuff minorities go through.

 

[icame2WERQ]

Unpopular opinion apparently but when other groups stereotype white/Caucasian people its offensive too. I'm sorry if you feel that since we have "white privilege" its okay for minority groups to make fun of a be racist towards us. I've always lived in larger cities and in my high school there was a large percentage of black kids and they were outright rude to us. I understand there are different histories between different races but that doesn't make it okay for one to be rude to another because of what their ancestors may or may not have done to theirs.

Sorry for the rant but racism goes both ways.

Rudeness is not racism. Black people can be bigoted, we can be prejudice, but we cannot be racist.

"The problem is that white people see racism as conscious hate, when racism is bigger than that. Racism is a complex system of social and political levers and pulleys set up generations ago to continue working on the behalf of whites at other people’s expense, whether whites know/like it or not. Racism is an insidious cultural disease. It is so insidious that it doesn’t care if you are a white person who likes black people; it’s still going to find a way to infect how you deal with people who don’t look like you. Yes, racism looks like hate, but hate is just one manifestation. Privilege is another. Access is another. Ignorance is another. Apathy is another. And so on. So while I agree with people who say no one is born racist, it remains a powerful system that we’re immediately born into. It’s like being born into air: you take it in as soon as you breathe. It’s not a cold that you can get over. There is no anti-racist certification class. It’s a set of socioeconomic traps and cultural values that are fired up every time we interact with the world. It is a thing you have to keep scooping out of the boat of your life to keep from drowning in it. I know it’s hard work, but it’s the price you pay for owning everything. " - Scott Woods




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[astaley22]

Sigh..

It IS wrong when other groups stereotype others, including white people.
Be careful to not confuse people not liking you with racism though. Also prejudices and racism isn't always the same thing, not that you think it is, just a note.

Also don't put white privilege in inverted commas as if it doesn't exist because it does. And don't think hostility that you received was because of that... I'd google the meaning of it before you make those kind of comments.

The quotes were more to emphasize it than anything. But I can see how that would be taken other ways.

I know that this is a sensitive subject amongst every person and each has their own valid reasons why but it seems as though something is only considered racist if it is against a non-white group.

 

[Fierce_Elite]

I think the only reason why people are taking the "thug" day practice out of context, is because of the fake Pregnancy bellies. Basically stereotyping that every "chola" gets pregnant in high school. If there were not any pregnant bellies, I do not believe that this would have been such a big issue. As smoed just had their thug day (I heard). No one took that out of context.

 

[Pip22]

The quotes were more to emphasize it than anything. But I can see how that would be taken other ways.

I know that this is a sensitive subject amongst every person and each has their own valid reasons why but it seems as though something is only considered racist if it is against a non-white group.

I disagree. It is considered racist if it's against a non-white group. But a group of kids being nasty at school is not the same. If I told my manager at work that out of the three people we interviewed last week I didn't want the White one to be hired without a good reason other than the fact that the other candidates were Black and Asian I would be a racist. 100%.

Let me put it this way: people will exclude people for all kinds of reasons... social status, wealth, area codes. When we are teenagers it's magnified. This kind of exclusion is disgusting HOWEVER you cannot compare it to being treated like a foreign citizen in your own country.

It's funny, the video Kristen the Great posted reminded me of a conversation I had at work the other day. The Best Man Holiday is considered a 'black film'. Another ensemble cast film like... I dunno Valentine's Day is just considered a film. Things that make you go hmm.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

Just so you're aware, white privilege is a thing.

Just so you're aware, I already know that.

Is white privilege a thing? Yes.

Is white privilege a thing that means white people can do, think, and say whatever they want, anytime, anywhere? No.
Therefore your example of ridiculous foolishness was exactly that. What I was commenting on was the "ghetto girls" statement. Nope. Sorry - nowhere is that gonna fly. And no, white privilege does not extend to that.

Is white privilege a thing that is the same everywhere, extended to all white people, like some sort of gift certificate we are handed at birth? No. So stop acting like it is.

Is white privilege carte blanche for every other race to think white people are all the same and are completely incapable of understanding struggle, racism, race relations, or anything else that requires a modicum of intelligence and life experience to understand? No. So stop throwing it out there like it covers everything. It doesn't. And it's offensive for you to think it does.

I stand by what I said - your statement was offensive. No, white people do not enjoy the privilege of thinking "ghetto girls is a harmless theme."

Here. Allow me to paste the other part of your statement:

Also: Perceived harmlessness does not determine whether something is racist or offensive. Example: You might think as a non-Native American that your Cowboys & Indians practice theme is "harmless" and that you "meant to no harm" but that does not absolve peeps from any fallout from it. Because your intent is not what you're judged by!

So in summary, don't. Thanks!

Just because YOU have some idea of what you think white people have, say, think, etc doesn't mean you actually know. Just because you think your statement was "fact" and therefore harmless, it wasn't. You read an article about how awesome and privileged it is to be white? Cool. Must mean you already know what I'm thinking, because obviously if there's an article about it, it can't be disputed.

How is it that when these girls did something dumb and offensive it's flat out racism - regardless of their intent or "perceived harmlessness" - but you can just say whatever, and when someone says it's offensive, suddenly it doesn't matter? Isn't the whole beginning of this thread about how the speaker's intent to be harmful doesn't matter? It's the listener/reader's perception that matters. So the fact that I found it offensive is irrelevant because I'm white?

 

[icame2WERQ]

This thread just reminded me how excited I am for this movie to come out:




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[Cheer Dad]

A chola is a woman who dresses like a gangsta or has a gangsta style. same for Cholo.

Gotcha. Thank you.

 

[Pebbles49]

I thought you were younger than that! I apologize then.

And I don't think you should be sorry for talking about it. It needs to be talked about for sure.

Thank you for the compliment and you probably thought I was younger because of the baby picture,,, Right!!!
If anyone curious to know, I got the nickname Pebbles as a youngster for 2 reasons - I was the youngest in my family and I right now I have this high nasally voice (ala Betty Rubble) now, but as a youngster, I was always told I sound like Pebble-bi-boo or baby voice...lol
PS: My husband actually thinks my voice is quite sexy now....hahaha

 

[ErinS]

This thread just reminded me how excited I am for this movie to come out:




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Oh my gosh. Girl. I literally just finished rewatching that trailer and was reaching for my laptop to post it.

 

[Pip22]

This thread just reminded me how excited I am for this movie to come out:




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OMG!

And watch it take 5 months for it to come over here and then only play in selected cinemas cause "there's no market for it"

 

[Just-a-Mom]

This thread just reminded me how excited I am for this movie to come out:




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Me too. Although I think it's not about what you think it's about. It'll be interesting to see. I'll hold off my comments on it until I actually see it. (Side note - I LOL at anyone that thinks any form of mainstream media - specifically the Fox news she mentions - is remotely demonstrative of what white people think)

Because it may hurt your feelings, but it doesn't affect your success in life. It doesn't keep you from getting a job or anything. It doesn't extend past the rude comments.

I disagree with this more than I've ever disagreed with anything I've read on Fierce Board.

Obviously this is more often true for minorities (that it does affect their success I mean). But if you think white people can't experience racism... Or have it affect their success or keep them from getting a job... I have some reality for you up here in Chicago (not the southern US, so it's different. Yes, really.)

Rudeness is not racism. Black people can be bigoted, we can be prejudice, but we cannot be racist.

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I don't know what to say to this that won't get me banned, so I'm just quoting it to say wow. The amount of time it would take me to type out why this is wrong is not even imaginable. I'm curious if you would be willing to elaborate on this though. (in your own words, not a quote)

 

[Pebbles49]

Nerd Day has been banned at my school since like 2012. Also, "Redneck Day". (Which is ironic because that was everyone's favorite; every boy at my school has at least one pair of boots and a jacked up truck.)

Wow, you learn something everyday, I would never think that Nerds had a negative connotation to it, I guess, anything and everything can be considered negative and offensive depending on where you stand on the issue.
As an AA, I definitely see how Rednecks can be offensive and for many AA from the Deep South-Rednecks used to flanked themselves around that Dixie Flag, which also represented KKK to many of us. Some AA remembered hearing about the Rednecks, who tied and dragged people using their pick-up trucks. So Rednecks and KKK are the same to many of us who grew up in the South... Again, it is where or what side of line you stand on the issue that makes the difference...