All-Star Real Vs Fake Full Ups

If a team can make them look good then thats all that matters to me. Judges aren't dumb and know the difference and will score accordingly.

what are "fake full ups"??

KING-EVOLUTION said:

what are "fake full ups"??

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When the bases do most of the turning instead of just the flyer.

oh ok??

cheerislove8 said:

When the bases do most of the turning instead of just the flyer.

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There is the impression by some that a base 1/2 turn full up is "faking" it. To me, a full-up is a full-up and my guess is that most judges don't differentiate between the two. I know that the safety/level rules don't make any distinction between the two.

BlueCat said:

There is the impression by some that a base 1/2 turn full up is "faking" it. To me, a full-up is a full-up and my guess is that most judges don't differentiate between the two. I know that the safety/level rules don't make any distinction between the two.

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I differentiate between them when I judge. I also write them different on my scripting sheets so the event director knows whichwas done when looking at my notes.

Andre said:

I differentiate between them when I judge. I also write them different on my scripting sheets so the event director knows which was done when looking at my notes.

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You don't strike me as being like "most" judges. I'm not convinced that MOST judges would know the difference. Hopefully, I am wrong.

(That being said, I still don't think there is a significant difference in difficulty.)

ive heard that they score the same "technically" on the sheet. but real ones obviously flat out look better bringing the overall impression and execution scores up.

for me it depends:

Fake full up where the flier jumps in with her feet crossed... does a half up... and all of the bases (including the back) walk around a half turn. This way, both bases have both hands on both of the fliers feet. -- not as difficult/ugly. (ATL 4.2 did this last year) not a fan of the full ups, nothing against ATL.

Fake full up where the flier starts on 1 foot, the main base moves to underneith the stunt (like a single base) and the secondary base moves to the main base position, the backspot stays stationary. The flier does a full turn as the bases move, this way 2 bases are holding 1 foot the entire time.-- almost as hard as a real full up, depends on the group.

BlueCat said:

You don't strike me as being like "most" judges. I'm not convinced that MOST judges would know the difference. Hopefully, I am wrong.

(That being said, I still don't think there is a significant difference in difficulty.)

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Thank you.

I think there is a significant difference in real v. fake full up extensions if the top in the fake full up jumps in with her feet crossed due to not releasing and re-catching the foot.

(coach.elle's response wasn't there when I started my response)

if the bases turn but the backspot remains in the back, it scores the same as a "real" full up. if the backspot starts in the front and turns with the bases it scores lower

When I cheered we did "real" full-ups, now most of the teams I. The gym do "fake" full-ups (where the bk spot doesn't move). To me real ones are easier! Less movement from bases: throw + catch = done. "fake" (stationary backspot): dip + move + stay close + try not to trip = too much work. I guess you have more control/stability if based are holding the whole time but it seems like too much to me. On the topic of fake where the flyer jumps in with 2 feet and legs crossed with the bk spot in front the. The whole group turns: that's level two...if I ever saw a level 4/5 team do that I'd walk out. (not trying to offend anyone but I've seen a middle school squad that has never competed get a full-up in one practice where the bk spot doesn't move). And didn't CA panthers do it the REAL way (basically co-ed style) like 2-3 years ago?!?!? 3 bases and nobody moved! I call that DOING WORK!!! Hahaha

here is my what i think is a fake up & full up...

now because im posting these videos dont think im bashing one team & making the other look better...

Fake up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izCbe9KDbtM

Real full up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_xebz61NH8

rather see fake full ups that hit that regular full ups that are a mess.