All-Star Usag Makes Ncata A Part Of Gymnastics!

AcaseA said:

Traditional Cheer - 2:30 routine showing all elements.

NCATA - Different rounds consisting on only a few members on the mat at a time. Each round is a different skill set (Tumbling, Stunts, Pyramids, Etc. are all different rounds). There are compulsory and optional rounds like in gymnastics. The final round is a 2:3o comp routine like in traditional cheer.

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There's some other slight differences too. Basket tosses are done much more like in acro. I believe the flyer starts standing up in the basket.

Everything is very sharp and tight and precise, there's not really a lot of showiness (uniforms look like volleyball uniforms, no bows, etc.)

Victory for safety in my book. Great opportunity for more female athletes to receive the varsity sport experience in college.

Ashley said:

So it's like a new version of all-star cheer run by USAG. Minus the pageantry.

Better get your ish together USASF.



It may be coed as a youth sport, but I don't think it can be coed as a varsity sport in college.

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Why not?

CAPheebersMom said:

Kind of saw this coming when A&T started taking off at the college level...and then they announced they were going to pilot a high school program. This is going to be incredibly attractive to parents that are looking for real scholarship opportunities for their kids. We all know that you should never put your kid in an activity because you expect it to pay for school later but the reality is that is what parents do. And the biggest argument I get from family and friends in regards to cheer is the fact that there are so few opportunities once you age out of AS.
Having the USGA behind it legitimizes it in the public's eye. It doesn't get "cheer" any closer to being an Olympic sport, acro gymnastics still isn't recognized. I don't know if it will change anything the USASF does unless they see a large group of kids migrate that way.

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I am still trying to imagine the craziness that would erupt if IOC did allow USASF Cheerleading in. Would it be a hot mess like worlds (the international portions) was or worse;. (ie everyone whining because it would be like Basketball filled with 'Cheerlebrities'). Then again it could be the best of the best with everyone supporting.. Wow.

thunderclap said:

Why not?

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I kind of explained this in another post, but because of Title IX. The appeal of A&T in college is that it's a relatively cheap women's sport. Now you have 20 more women to count towards title IX.

If you make it coed, you're negating that benefit. A team of 10 and 10, as King said, cancels out. And if you have more boys than girls, well now you're gonna need to add another women's sport, so what's the point?

Ashley said:

I kind of explained this in another post, but because of Title IX. The appeal of A&T in college is that it's a relatively cheap women's sport. Now you have 20 more women to count towards title IX.

If you make it coed, you're negating that benefit. A team of 10 and 10, as King said, cancels out. And if you have more boys than girls, well now you're gonna need to add another women's sport, so what's the point?

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In true capitalism the interests of the consumer drives the market. If a lot athletes want to do the co-ed version, lots of universities want to fund it and lots of people want to buy tickets to watch or pay to go to camps ran by the program than why not all female and co-ed? Perhaps most male athletes would pick another sport so there isn't enough need. Maybe doing one competition at the end of the year is ok. I think time will tell but I wouldn't rule co-ed out at this point.

In a perfect world what student athletes want to do would take a precedent but there are a variety of factors that play into college athletics and it isn't really cut and dry. I think there is a defined need for more feminine acceptable sports at the collegiate level. Look at the recent quick popularity of sand volleyball. Which I would note was called "beach volleyball" and they made them change the name. Sound familiar?

If we want it to be a sport, there is no doubt that cheerleaders can do it. There is nothing we can't do if we put our minds to it. I am all for any new opportunities for all student athletes.

And just keep in mind that "most" universities are not out looking only for cheap female sports with a lot athletes. Sport enhances their school, attracts positive media attention, keeps students active, trains leaders, makes school ambassadors and sells tickets to games. They want to have a great athletic department.

I look forward to both, All female and co-ed.

cheersafety said:

In true capitalism the interests of the consumer drives the market. If a lot athletes want to do the co-ed version, lots of universities want to fund it and lots of people want to buy tickets to watch or pay to go to camps ran by the program than why not all female and co-ed? Perhaps most male athletes would pick another sport so there isn't enough need. Maybe doing one competition at the end of the year is ok. I think time will tell but I wouldn't rule co-ed out at this point.

In a perfect world what student athletes want to do would take a precedent but there are a variety of factors that play into college athletics and it isn't really cut and dry. I think there is a defined need for more feminine acceptable sports at the collegiate level. Look at the recent quick popularity of sand volleyball. Which I would note was called "beach volleyball" and they made them change the name. Sound familiar?

If we want it to be a sport, there is no doubt that cheerleaders can do it. There is nothing we can't do if we put our minds to it. I am all for any new opportunities for all student athletes.

And just keep in mind that "most" universities are not out looking only for cheap female sports with a lot athletes. Sport enhances their school, attracts positive media attention, keeps students active, trains leaders, makes school ambassadors and sells tickets to games. They want to have a great athletic department.

I look forward to both, All female and co-ed.

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But University athletics are not good examples of true capitalism. And most universities are looking for cheap female sports. The only sports that make money (and even then, not at all schools) are football and men's basketball. Schools do want great athletic departments, but NCATA is a newish sport, it's not really going to do any of those things, there's no proven history behind it.

I imagine we could see see coed in the future, but for now, I don't see a college adding a brand new sport unless it's an easy way to meet Title IX requirements.

Does NCATA have a youth program or a level system? Or does it just have an "Elite" level and they just kinda... leech athletes from cheer and sports acro?

How are they closer to legitimacy than cheer or sports acro is?

Did I miss something and either NCATA OR STUNT get accepted by the NCAA? People keep talking about the ability to be a varsity sport in college but I was under the impression neither versions had NCAA backing yet. Please fill me in.

Mr May said:

Did I miss something and either NCATA OR STUNT get accepted by the NCAA? People keep talking about the ability to be a varsity sport in college but I was under the impression neither versions had NCAA backing yet. Please fill me in.

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I believe NCATA counts towards Title IX at all the schools it is at except Quinnipiac. I don't know about STUNT.