All-Star Boys Shouldn't Fly???

[arispurplecheerkitty]

One of our local high schools that won states a couple of years back there was a boy who flew and who also single man based a stunt and looked SPECTACULAR doing both.

I only saw him in a basket? Maybe I wasn't watching close enough.... I loved that pyramid though!

 

[arispurplecheerkitty]

Excuse my shortness, it was not my intent to be nasty. I took the time to watch the video where you said the young man's flying was spectacular and in review of it and in the nature of the discussion, I disagreed and stated that.

The routine was great and I never said they shouldn't have won. But the need to put the young man into the basket was not there. They had multiple girls on the ground during that sequence and the basket wasn't high or pretty so to me it looks like the coach tried to use the boy as a gimmick. Which to me is not cool.

Okay consider this. Do they always need someone in the air? At competitions there usually is a group at least once that stays on the ground even though there is a complete group. In the routine there could be complications. Like maybe she couldn't hit it clean or was afraid of being thrown that high. It's not always a gimmick.

 

[arispurplecheerkitty]

if they are this good? why not? [emoji12] [emoji12] [emoji12] [emoji12]

Omg... I can't believe my eyes!!

 

[cheernerd5678]

One of our local high schools that won states a couple of years back there was a boy who flew and who also single man based a stunt and looked SPECTACULAR doing both.

Completely unrelated but that's where I would've gone to school if I hadn't moved!


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[randomactsofcheer]

if they are this good? why not? [emoji12] [emoji12] [emoji12] [emoji12]

Wow! Even Gumby isn't that flexible...

 

[Keep_Believing]

It is rare to have 4 boys spot 1 person, but there are some videos of all boy teams.

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

Thinking long-term:

I wonder if or how this will impact college cheer, as when you go to a college tryout with a larger coed program, there is a clear delineation between guys in the traditional "strength" and basing roles and girls flying. Ex: Many times, the materials will say "Males must be able to base XYZ stunt."

What does college cheer look like for a gentleman who has mostly flown or performed in less basing and strength related roles? Does he not have a shot at college in a coed capacity?

I think that as the tradtitional cheer roles change, collegiate cheer may need to re-evaluate gender roles as well. (And open itself to the male who is maybe a flyer/tumbling specialist rather than a coed stunting beast, because not everyone is that guy.)

 

[quitthedrama]

Thinking long-term:

I wonder if or how this will impact college cheer, as when you go to a college tryout with a larger coed program, there is a clear delineation between guys in the traditional "strength" and basing roles and girls flying. Ex: Many times, the materials will say "Males must be able to base XYZ stunt."

What does college cheer look like for a gentleman who has mostly flown or performed in less basing and strength related roles? Does he not have a shot at college in a coed capacity?

I think that as the tradtitional cheer roles change, collegiate cheer may need to re-evaluate gender roles as well. (And open itself to the male who is maybe a flyer/tumbling specialist rather than a coed stunting beast, because not everyone is that guy.)

My opinion - it will never happen, especially with game day teams.
As far as all star cheer goes I think the best comparison I can think of is pairs skating. If a girl were to lift the guy I don't see it going over well with judges or the crowd (assuming it was within the rules - I don't know anything about figure skating). It would be impressive and there would be some people who would think it perfectly acceptable but I don't believe that pair would be successful at the elite level. Unfortunately gender role reversal is in general not perceived favorably.

"You are only responsible for being honest, not for someone else's reaction to your honesty."

 

[BuegeSmalls]

One of our local high schools that won states a couple of years back there was a boy who flew and who also single man based a stunt and looked SPECTACULAR doing both.

Kind of in love with that pyramid!


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[thetank]

I don't really think this is a matter of whether or not everyone does/does not like male flyers... We should focus more on the fact that it's sexist and discriminating to male cheerleaders...

For example, when a team does an elite stunt and the group in the middle is doing something different than the other groups, is that not distracting?? It's the same thing. Also the point that was made about boys tumbling across the front being distracting is the same thing.

Bottom line, i couldn't care less whether or not you like guy flyers or not, but for a judge to point it out based on a personal sexist opinion is pretty unprofessional... These days in allstar cheer there are distractions left right and center in a routine. Why should being a male (or female) doing a typical female position be penalized for it?

This is just my personal opinion... I just don't think it's right.

 

[nicolee]

I understand your point here, and I don't disagree, but like SO many issues in cheer, maybe this judge was stating his/her knowledge of absolute truth which nobody will speak aloud because it just " looks bad." There are judges, coaches and gym owners who don't like seeing black girls fly, but they won't come out and state it publicly because of the backlash they would receive.
Varsity doesn't like fierce gay boys. Same thing, and look how they got reamed for that.

I'm just a big believer in people scoring by the book. A judge could be a disgusting racist, or a homophobe, or a sexist. They could decide they want all flyers on the team to be the same race, or they could want all boys to be 'big manly men' even if a guy is super fierce. It shouldn't matter – their opinions should stay inside and should never be mentioned on a scoring sheet.

I agree with the person who commented before me: not letting boys fly is sexist, period. Whether you like them in the air or not should be irrelevant.

 

[Miialovescheer]

I'm just a big believer in people scoring by the book. A judge could be a racist, or a homophobe, or a sexist. They could decide they want all flyers on the team to be the same race, or they could want all boys to be 'big butch manly men' even if a boy is awesomely fierce. It shouldn't matter – their opinions should stay inside and should never be mentioned on a scoring sheet.

I agree with the person who commented before me: not letting boys fly is sexist, period. Whether you like boys in the air or not.

I agree with you too. I just wouldnt say it because i thought people would hate me. I am a big fan of male flyers but ialso love female flyers. But it shouldnt matter what you think. Or what gender the fleyrs on your team have. the one that is best at what he/she is doing should do it. Period.

If we want to develop the sport we need to think about recruiting all types of people. not only the bulkier strong boys but also the smaller built boys. Not every boys is over 6 feet tall and not everyboy can base or backspot.

 

[JMW]

I don't believe coed stunting is gender specific for the scoresheet. I haven't seen their routine but a girl could coed with a girl, or someone could coed him, and as I understand it that counts. Although someone smarter than me is welcome to correct me if I'm wrong (which is highly possible)

This may just be semantics, but a girl basing another girl would not be "coed" stunting, by definition.

"Coed" means "including both genders".

I understand your point, though - I think you mean really mean "single-based".

 

[12stepCheermom]

This may just be semantics, but a girl basing another girl would not be "coed" stunting, by definition.

"Coed" means "including both genders".

I understand your point, though - I think you mean really mean "single-based".

Correct and ten points to gryffindor for correcting the grammar girl


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[SarahS]

This may just be semantics, but a girl basing another girl would not be "coed" stunting, by definition.

"Coed" means "including both genders".

I understand your point, though - I think you mean really mean "single-based".

Coed stunting has a particular definition in all star cheerleading, based on scoring grids for both Varsity and JamBrands. On each score sheet, a female basing a female (or a male basing a male) can, depending on the situation, count as a coed stunt. Not intuitive, I know, but I wanted to clarify that yes, "coed stunt" could be the proper term for a single-gendered stunt, again, depending on the situation.