Competition Hierarchy

Discussion in 'Allstar Cheerleading' started by Sterling von Shimmer, Dec 7, 2019.

  1. CLynn

    CLynn Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    I hear you, I pretty much agree but I guess I am ok with calling NCA the true national and everything else can be considered a regional and yes test run if you will. With computers, flocheer/varsitytv etc I think we pretty much know what our competition looks like even if we haven't seen them in person. I am also ok with one end of the season national for levels below World's.

     
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    Yes, but seeing a video and getting to compete against them are very different.
     
  3. CLynn

    CLynn Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    Sure, I guess I am just ok if it happens to be once at the end of the year. We don't see some of our "top" competition at NCA anyway bc they have so many crossovers they skip and show up for Summit. If there were to be a mid-season nationals and an end of season nationals I guess I'd be ok with that too. I'm just converted to the idea of bids and chasing bids being a pointless wallet drainer and for the younger levels particularly would love to see a cap on it.
     
  4. SthrnCheerMom

    SthrnCheerMom I text ACEDAD all the time

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    Our first Summit experience was this past one. Prior, I learned more about it through this board and others that went. After having been to upteen Cheersports and 2 NCAs, I will totally agree with you on this.

    I will agree with you on this as well. This will be our 3rd NCA and that is exactly why we have been going. To really get an idea of who we will be up against at Summit.

    This will be our 8th Cheersport. I do enjoy CS but will say NCA is a bit smoother. We are attending SOH for the first time with our current gym. We have been once before with our previous gym. It was by far the best run comp. The way they get the parents in and out for viewing is smooth. So we are excited to be going back.
     
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    Yes, just fun and exciting. We get to watch our favorite teams from all levels. The arena is amazing! Award ceremonies are fast and efficient. I hate long drawn out award ceremonies. We live in Texas so we are a little biased! LOL :)
     
  6. Knowcheering

    Knowcheering I make my own voiceovers

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    No doubt I'd rank NCA the highest among non-Worlds events. It's the last National that still feels relatively national, and the fact that crossovers are highly restricted makes the competition feel the most legitimate. The Varsity scoresheet has many shortcomings, but NCA judging often makes the most sense to me.

    Cheersport used to be a bigger deal before Worlds became important. Now it's a "regional National" like the others. It has large participation, but when they split the non-Worlds divisions 7824 different ways, it's not any tougher of a competition than most other decent-sized Nationals. It really depends who's in your specific division. The Summit is killing a lot of the non-Worlds divisions. With many gyms in D2, the amount of competition for D1 teams has really dwindled at the majority of events. You used to not have to travel halfway across the country to find quality competition for your level 2 team. You used to be able to find well-attended local 1-day competitions (that didn't offer bids to anything!)

    The Summit is general seems to be doing more harm than good (I think Level 6 is slowly dying among non-powerhouse gyms in part because of Summit). But parents insisted on their beginner Level 1 kids going to a big event at the end of the year. If it wasn't about the money and Di$$$ney World, we could eliminate the Summit and get back to NCA being the big National.
     
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  7. CLynn

    CLynn Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    I noticed this for sure last year, haven't competed enough yet this season to see if stays same this year.
     
  8. KPep

    KPep Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    With the comments I get about NCA, I would choose it to be first. However, as someone coming from Canada, I have to place Worlds first. As long as Worlds welcome more international teams than NCA, for me, it'll stay first. I do understand that it is a "national" championship though.
     
  9. Bella's mom

    Bella's mom I make my own voiceovers

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    NCA doesn’t accept a lot of international teams? I thought that was the reason for doing the international levels? We have 3 teams competing International this year.


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    BlueCat Roses are red, cats are blue National Champion

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    Anyone from anywhere can sign up for NCA, I think she just means NCA doesn't have as many non-US teams as Worlds.
     
  11. Bella's mom

    Bella's mom I make my own voiceovers

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    So that would just be the teams not signing up, not NCA accepting them. Gotcha. Makes more sense


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    How does One Up fair in this lineup? Don’t quite a few teams attend since it’s the last competition before Worlds?
     
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    Just my opinion, it wouldn't even make the list.
     
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    gosh im old. I attend worlds as an athlete in 2006 and 2007, it wasnt super new, but new enough that i feel like teams werent desperately chasing a ring at that point in the earlier years. 2007 was the year i felt like it had blown up to craziness level at least for me. Now looking back im jealous that i couldnt compete in some of the much later iconic years. Back then i think NCA still was the highlight of the season.
     
  15. OldskoolKYcheercoach

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    For many years NCA was to all star cheer what UCA is to high school cheer.

    Even at the collegiate level: NCA was to the all star style what UCA was to the crowd-leading style.

    A lot of the younger people, and even older ones who are still relatively young in Cheer age, are completely unaware of the level of competition between UCA and NCA. They don’t know about the “brand wars” from when COA, JamFest, WCA (is this even still a thing?), ACA, WSF, Cheersport, etc were all upstarts trying get their foot in the door offering their own individual incentives to attend their events.

    Many of them have missed the days when you might make major changes to your routine from competition to competition because tumbling was 7 million points at one competition, and you had to have a minimum of 14 8-counts of dance to max your score at another.

    Rewinds were legal at NCA college nationals but not at UCA college nationals.

    When Jeff bought out NCA, creating the FIRST cheer-opoly, the industry actually experienced a pretty good upswing. A lot of things that needed to happen, happened. There was some consistency in rules across college cheer. The initial formation of USASF brought more safety consistency. Even Worlds, in its infancy was a great concept that has been bastardized by the “everyone gets a bid” mentality. There are teams that earn bids today that would have never gotten a bid the first year or two even putting their current routines up against the routines of the past.

    JamFest started to buy up some smaller comp companies creating competition and keeping it all honest. Then the SECOND cheer-opoly occurred. Virtually nothing good has come from that buyout. There’s no one keeping the Varsity machine honest.

    By the way, my question mark by WCA was tongue-in-cheek. As I recall, they were the last holdout against USASF, and I’m pretty sure they went under. You may have a different history regarding that organization. They disappeared during a brief time when I wasn’t paying a whole lot of attention to who was offering competitions because I had taken a coaching break.