Justice For Floyd

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  1. Keep_Believing

    Keep_Believing Moderator

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    As a Cheer community is there a respectful way we can show unity in wanting Justice for Floyd and supporting Black Lives Matter?

     
  2. ImAChauffeuse

    ImAChauffeuse Last Pass... on International Open 1

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    I’m going to go out on a limb and say the cheer community is likely divided about this along the same lines we are divided about whether summit and worlds should be happening right now and whether gyms should be open for business as usual/COVID is fAkE nEwS.

    Cheer is not a unified group of people even when it comes to cheer itself. If you want to show respect to those fighting to be heard, then listen. Show up. Support them on your social media and in person, not as a cheerleader but as a human. It would be amazing to see cheer teams taking a knee during the national anthem but it’s not going to happen.
     
  3. Keep_Believing

    Keep_Believing Moderator

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    I can respect and understand different views on covid-19, worlds, and summit.

    Everyone should want Justice for Floyd.
     
  4. ImAChauffeuse

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    I agree. I would love to be taken by surprise by the cheer community.
     
  5. Knowcheering

    Knowcheering I nugget in the back

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    Yup, sadly the nation feels more divided than ever. However, I don’t understand how kneeling during the national anthem solves any problems. Even if someone has great intentions in doing so, it still feels anti-America to some extent... and being anti-America likely isn’t going to solve anything, it’s just going to divide the nation further. Various athletes in different sports have tried kneeling for years, and it hasn’t done much. Instead, it causes even more controversy and divisiveness. One could argue that kneeling has raised more awareness of the problem (and it’s much better than lighting police stations on fire or whatever counterproductive things people are doing), but it doesn’t seem to actually help solve the problem.

    We can show gratitude and respect for our national anthem/flag/country at a cheerleading competition while simultaneously wanting justice for Floyd. In some other countries, women don’t have rights that allow them to participate in sports, show any skin, or even leave their homes without permission. Furthermore, in some countries we wouldn’t even be allowed to speak about this topic without fear of punishment by the government. So we should always feel grateful for the freedoms and rights we have in the U.S.

    Unfortunately, there’s not much the cheer community (or any sport) can do regarding police brutality. It’s a helpless feeling. It’s up to the police force to properly train their cops and to weed out bad apples. It seems too easy for anyone to become a cop. Clearly, more needs to be done to educate them and to ensure that only model citizens who are mentally stable actually get the job. It’s a highly dangerous and stressful job that requires quick and proper decision-making in the heat of the moment—- it’s certainly not a job that should go to any random person who signs up. There has to be a way to weed out cops who are racist, overly aggressive, etc. Also, given that cops see a lot of traumatic things in that line of work, they should probably have their mental health checked regularly.

    And it’s up to parents and educators to properly teach children right from wrong so that they don’t grow up to be racists. Children don’t know stereotypes/race until it’s taught to them. People can write eloquently worded posts about this topic on social media all day long, but things aren’t going to change until people receive better education at home, school, etc. Education is key to solving a lot of the world’s problems. Teach your kids to love and respect others and to judge people only by their character; that’s the best thing we can do. Fortunately, I feel like the sport of cheer is a great and inclusive community that generally feels welcoming of everyone.
     
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  6. luv2cheer92

    luv2cheer92 Moderator Staff Member Bracket Winner Video Curator

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    Love every single thing about this post!

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  7. cheermomforever

    cheermomforever Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I feel very angry about what is going on now............also how people are punished for crimes, not just cops-as they have their own protection from justice being served, but people who abuse other humans or worse..........some get off with nothing...( Brock the swimmer), but blocking roads, burning innocent peoples businesses is not right! There is a right way to protest and wrong way. It will gets worse before its gets better, especially in MN where I grew up, and it will start all over again when the verdict and sentencing is read. Very sad.........
     
  8. catlady

    catlady Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I'm old, but back in the 70's and 80's our church would go to the inner cities every Saturday and pack a bunch of sack lunches, soft drinks, can/dry goods, books and games. Some of the people would play sports with the kids and adults, others would ask if they needed any repairs done, and some would just visit and share lunch on the porch with the elderly. As more women entered the workforce and more government programs began, a lot of people felt those needs were being taken care of. Others felt once the mental hospitals had closed and patients were released on the streets, it was too dangerous. No one wants to feel invisible or forgotten, and America treats our poor and inner cities like the plague. We can teach our kids to love everyone, but if we are teaching them to avoid certain areas because "they're too dangerous," we are unconsciously teaching racism, because those areas are heavily African American and Hispanic. I would love to see organizations go old school. I'm currently in search of an organization or church that wants to get back to actually building relationships face to face.
     
  9. Keep_Believing

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    Thanks for sharing, the replies, and feedback.
     
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    I’m hopeful that one of the things that will come of this is the same people who are out protesting in force will also show up to vote in force. That’s how you fix these issues. Vote for mayors, judges, sheriffs, on the local level to the national level where you’re voting for the people who will decide what federal judges to put on the bench. That’s how you make a difference. Put the old racist jerks out to pasture and get progressive and social justice crusaders IN OFFICE.
     
  11. Sterling von Shimmer

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    Kneeling during the national anthem was intended as a peaceful protest and meant to do what all protests are designed to do: draw attention to a cause. In this case the cause was police brutality, particularly against the POC community. Also in this case, it worked. Because here we are talking about it.

    I understand how people took offense to it, but I do not think Kaepernick was trying to offend. He took a knee to mourn the state of America today and the role that police brutality has played in getting things to this point. You can love your country while still acknowledging and mourning its problems/flaws. If Kaepernick really wanted to be un-American, he could’ve done it in much more disrespectful ways than taking a knee, a thing you do out of respect for an athlete who is injured. You can make your inferences from there.

    No, his kneeling did not fix police brutality overnight. But that wasn’t Kaepernick’s goal. His goal was to use his platform to draw attention to his cause in a peaceful, nonviolent way. And honestly, I personally don’t understand the criticism of it. People are quick to decry large public protests because of the violence that often comes in their wake, whether the actual protestors participated in it or not. But when a single individual tries to protest in a noncriminal way that doesn’t incite violence or destruction, people don’t like that either.
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    I agree with you that change needs to start at home, but I don’t think POC want to wait that long. I don’t think they can afford to. These problems need to be addressed and fixed now, and protesting is a way to get the conversation started. It’s not perfect, but it’s working. We’re talking and galvanizing. And that’s a start.
     
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  12. a_cheer_leaderxo

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    Do those freedoms not include the right to protest? I am not American so I will not comment on whether taking a knee is anti-American however, when you look at the list of unarmed black people (many of whom were complying with the officers) being murdered by the police, is it any wonder that there is a huge outcry? I completely agree with what you say about police training and more education however, the latter especially is something that will take a very long time. Meanwhile, there will continue to be cases like George Floyd's (and those before him) unless something is done sooner and people take notice now and that is why protests happen. Like @Sterling von Shimmer wrote, they start the conversation. Protests are what contributed to women's suffrage and increased LGBTQ+ rights (although there is still a long way to go).

    It also seems to me that black people do not have the same rights and freedoms as white people, even though it seems like it on paper. They continue to be overtly and covertly discriminated against in the US, in the UK where I am and in many other countries not just when it comes to the justice system, but in education, in healthcare and in their jobs.

    That is why they take a knee.
     
  13. UCFKnights07

    UCFKnights07 Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I absolutely support people protesting, but i will never be behind destroying businesses, especially when we are in the middle of a health pandemic and when the unemployment numbers are rising.

    but i do agree 100% as to the gross mistreatment and bias against people of color.
     
  14. Emily

    Emily International Cheer Correspondent Staff Member National Champion

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    While cheerleading claims to be pretty inclusive, I feel like there are also some parts where we fail miserably. There are a lot of amazing people in cheer who care about and "see" the people of color.
    But then there are also things like requiring straight hair for competitions, "nude" mesh for uniforms that is definitely too light for darker skin, (big) gyms that have a lot of non-white athletes, but you see the same stereotypical white cheerleaders in the air and in the front rows every routine. And those are just some smaller things that just came to my mind. I think everyone should take some time to reassess their own views and do better.

    I hope I used the right terms, if not just tell me and I'll change it - terminology in this context is kind of difficult with English being only my second language.
     
  15. TealShades

    TealShades I have my own cheer message board

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    @catlady question for you. Are most or all those businesses insured?
    Another question the rest you’re more concerned for material Items than a human life? Taking a knee is ani American now? Hum thought it was a peaceful protest. Not one of you mentioned Mr Floyd’s name but sure as hell brought up the destruction of buildings and business. So instead of saying it’s horrible and wrong that a black man was killed but you need stop destroying business. You all should/need to say I know it’s horrible that business are being destroyed but you all should stop killing black men. Check your priorities . If I get hate than so be it.