All-Star Cheerleaders Season 3: Version 2

[Mom Jeans]

I get your point, but I disagree. They took themselves out of accepting an at large bid, not a paid. If Aces declined accepting an at large, this immediately gave it to a team who would not have gotten one at this competition. Had they accepted the at large, and been the next in line for a disqualified paid bid, the at large would've been lost and used for no one. So, assuming they went by score (which isn't always the case), if Aces were next in line for the paid even though they declined the at large, I think they should get it. This way, the at large was not wasted and a team that will probably cherish having an at large can participate at Worlds.

Do we know if they declined, the at large? They haven't in the past. And yes The Grand goes by score

I still think that it's an upgrade to an at large, once the competion is over, it's over and you can't upgrade what you dont have.

 

[Tator tots]

Do we know if they declined, the at large? They haven't in the past. And yes The Grand goes by score

I still think that it's an upgrade to an at large, once the competion is over, it's over and you can't upgrade what you dont have.

I have no idea what they did. But I like the idea of teams declining at large bids if they'll probably get a paid down the road and certainly wouldn't want to see this discouraged for a freak thing like this. As much as I don't want to see teams that don't deserve to be at Worlds, I love seeing some of the "diamonds in the rough".

 

[luv2cheer92]

The fact that they gave out an extra paid bid that wasn't announced beforehand (and 2 at larges) only adds to the confusion.

 

[hawkeye87]

So confused about comparative scoring and how it works... it should be such an easy concept for me to get but i can't. #holidayhangover

 

[TealArmySparkle]

Well you don't come on the board for more than 12 hours and you get 18 new pages. I feel so bad for Tannaz in all of this, but she handled it like a boss!

 

[CheerRehab]

In order to have a proper cheer show the coach & owner needs to have final say of the episode. They need to be the ones mapping out storyboards , setting up ideas and so on. That's never going to happen because coaching is like a full time job & it would be crazy hard to do both.

@getsum what's up with the gossip rating?

 

[Keep_Believing]

So confused about comparative scoring and how it works... it should be such an easy concept for me to get but i can't. #holidayhangover

There is an overstretch video that talks about comparative scoring. It helped me understand it some.

 

[Cheerfan1234]

Sorry to change the subject (sort of), but since comparative scoring is being brought up, can someone explain how f5 outscored SE in building on Day 1 this wknd, even with a fall? Let me start by saying that both teams are fabulous as we all know, and congrats to f5 on the paid bid I get the tumbling scores, but I don't see f5 as the stronger building team, stunts or pyramid, and not even in technique or creativity. And although you can't compare scores from two different divisions, the building scores in large senior were so much higher than small senior (5-7 points) when SSX goes harder in stunts than both f5 and SE. I'm missing something and nervous that these potential discrepancies might affect the paid bid process when EPs award them based on high score. Can someone offer some insight?

 

[getsum]

@getsum what's up with the gossip rating?

im right handed, so when i scroll on a phone i sometines hit the ratings on the far right... bullying and gossiping. removed.

 

[CheerRehab]

im right handed, so when i scroll on a phone i sometines hit the ratings on the far right... bullying and gossiping. removed.

you gossiped me again!

 

[getsum]

you gossiped me again!

lol. i have no idea how that happened. i thibk i undid the rating, went to scroll down and did it again. removed. i hope.

 

[Teacher Mom]

Sorry to change the subject (sort of), but since comparative scoring is being brought up, can someone explain how f5 outscored SE in building on Day 1 this wknd, even with a fall? Let me start by saying that both teams are fabulous as we all know, and congrats to f5 on the paid bid I get the tumbling scores, but I don't see f5 as the stronger building team, stunts or pyramid, and not even in technique or creativity. And although you can't compare scores from two different divisions, the building scores in large senior were so much higher than small senior (5-7 points) when SSX goes harder in stunts than both f5 and SE. I'm missing something and nervous that these potential discrepancies might affect the paid bid process when EPs award them based on high score. Can someone offer some insight?

I think that's the problem with comparative scoring. It's fine in division but once you are deciding bids, it's not fair. If you have 5 teams in a division, one being amazing and the rest being mediocre, the best of the 5 will get very high scores. But if you have 5 strong teams, they could possibly be lower as they score equally.

 

[Teacher Mom]

Not agreeing or disagreeing with your post but just using it as a springboard. Do you not think that this gets the hopes up of those teams who got an at large bid and maybe then some bitter feelings when Aces gets the bid. When you hear that a team previously awarded a full paid bid has had it taken off them, if you were awarded an at large bid I think you would maybe believe that you had a good chance of being upgraded and then to not get that bid but have a team that was not awarded any bid gain the full paid....

If aces had accepted an at large bid or even if all scores were made available maybe other teams would not have got their hopes up.


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I don't think anyone was hopeful since when it was announced so was the new bid. I wouldn't want that anyway. It is so much better to get a bid at a comp and enjoy the victory than it being an afterthought. Additionally, it is SO early in the season that teams have many more opportunities to get a FP. It just feels better when you really feel like you've earned it.
I think the issue is that there is no transparency with scoring. After seeing Day 1 scores, and watching Day 2, it just feels shady.

 

[quitthedrama]

Sorry to change the subject (sort of), but since comparative scoring is being brought up, can someone explain how f5 outscored SE in building on Day 1 this wknd, even with a fall? Let me start by saying that both teams are fabulous as we all know, and congrats to f5 on the paid bid I get the tumbling scores, but I don't see f5 as the stronger building team, stunts or pyramid, and not even in technique or creativity. And although you can't compare scores from two different divisions, the building scores in large senior were so much higher than small senior (5-7 points) when SSX goes harder in stunts than both f5 and SE. I'm missing something and nervous that these potential discrepancies might affect the paid bid process when EPs award them based on high score. Can someone offer some insight?

I can not offer insight, but I agree with everything you said, especially with the bid awards. Add to that the bingo ball effect now being in place at bid competitions and whoever goes first is at a huge disadvantage.

 

[Cheer Dad]

Right now we keep her around because her type of crazy is entertaining.

Bully


**It is obvious you misunderstood me**

 

[FlexyTumblerMom]

I can not offer insight, but I agree with everything you said, especially with the bid awards. Add to that the bingo ball effect now being in place at bid competitions and whoever goes first is at a huge disadvantage.

I know going first in gymnastics is a significant disadvantage, and that sport isn't even supposed to have comparative scoring! I can only imagine how much it would effect something like cheer where there's more subjectivity involved, and real comparative scoring.