All-Star Crossovers And Sandbagging

[thecolonel]

While I guess there are some legitimate justifications for crossovers, in general it is done to engineer wins. It should be strictly forbidden in a competition like the Summit which holds itself out as World's for the lower divisions. The Summit will be meaningless until this is stopped. I could stack a Pee Wee Little League team with fake birth certificate older kids and win the World Series. Of course I really would not have won and neither would the kids.

 

[retiredl5cheer]

It's a mixture. Plus, as others pointed out, being on YE is not the same thing as being on SE. Many girls on YE only have a tuck or a layout, but are talented at stunting and needed for those skills. Additionally, some are using their time on the Youth 3 team as a way to learn how to base or backspot as opposed to flying on YE.

Eh, I think you can "justify" crossovers like that on any team. I still side eye them a bit on that, but it works for them and their parents and athletes seem to be okay with it, so power to them.

 

[gofriars610]

Eh, I think you can "justify" crossovers like that on any team. I still side eye them a bit on that, but it works for them and their parents and athletes seem to be okay with it, so power to them.

I mean, I think it's smart to become a well-rounded cheerleader this young. Some of them are bound to outgrow being flyer-sized and may have to base/back as they become seniors. (We're not all super versatile like Madi from Smoed.) I think it's more understandable/acceptable to cross down from a Y5 to a Y3 than from a senior 5 to a senior 2 to learn how to base/back.

 

[MaineStar234]

I mean, I think it's smart to become a well-rounded cheerleader this young. Some of them are bound to outgrow being flyer-sized and may have to base/back as they become seniors. (We're not all super versatile like Madi from Smoed.) I think it's more understandable/acceptable to cross down from a Y5 to a Y3 than from a senior 5 to a senior 2 to learn how to base/back.

But is doing another whole team really necessary? Take Joelle of WC's daughter Gianna for example, in the Twinkle doc it said she had always been a flyer. 2 years ago she was point flyer on Twinkles, last season she based on Twinks. She based on a level 5 team after having flown her whole life before that. The summer is plenty of time to figure out how to base, there's no need to cross down to another team. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples of this I just actually knew who Gianna was from Chasing a Perfection.


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[njallday]

But is doing another whole team really necessary? Take Joelle of WC's daughter Gianna for example, in the Twinkle doc it said she had always been a flyer. 2 years ago she was point flyer on Twinkles, last season she based on Twinks. She based on a level 5 team after having flown her whole life before that. The summer is plenty of time to figure out how to base, there's no need to cross down to another team. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples of this I just actually knew who Gianna was from Chasing a Perfection.


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i *think* last season she was a crossover and flew on lites while basing on twinks. LOL the one rare time they use a crossover but it was still the same level! (if i'm wrong, correct me, but the mother/daughter cheerleader magazine shoot from last season with CSP she's in lites uniform) if my mom/grandma owned the gym and i was spending all my time there, i'd probably ask to be on two teams, too.

I'm guessing your point was more that they aren't crossing huge percentages down 2 levels to teach them new skills and I wholeheartedly agree with you!

 

[retiredl5cheer]

But is doing another whole team really necessary? Take Joelle of WC's daughter Gianna for example, in the Twinkle doc it said she had always been a flyer. 2 years ago she was point flyer on Twinkles, last season she based on Twinks. She based on a level 5 team after having flown her whole life before that. The summer is plenty of time to figure out how to base, there's no need to cross down to another team. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples of this I just actually knew who Gianna was from Chasing a Perfection.


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I agree. It's not necessary to cross down two levels to learn to base. Especially for high level athletes who have a good awareness of their body and what their new position is supposed to do. There's always a way to justify a necessary crossover, I just happen to think some justifications are more legitimate than others.

 

[AliciaM]

I agree. It's not necessary to cross down two levels to learn to base. Especially for high level athletes who have a good awareness of their body and what their new position is supposed to do. There's always a way to justify a necessary crossover, I just happen to think some justifications are more legitimate than others.

I agree. When I was a cross over learning to base I actually crossed over to a high level team lol I was a flyer on an open 4.2 team and a base on a ioag 5 team.

 

[SarahS]

welp that sounds like a security breach.

They had a problem with a mail merge and the names of athletes were associated with the wrong email addresses.

 

[minicheermom]

It's a mixture. Plus, as others pointed out, being on YE is not the same thing as being on SE. Many girls on YE only have a tuck or a layout, but are talented at stunting and needed for those skills. Additionally, some are using their time on the Youth 3 team as a way to learn how to base or backspot as opposed to flying on YE.

True but a good handful are on 3 teams. Including their Junior 5.

 

[Deleted member 15795]

So did I and so did a lot of people, I think. I just ignored them because I was busy at the time I saw them. But what are people doing in terms of logging on? I've never tried to log in to USASF before.

2 different emails with 2 different athletes name were sent to my email… no response from USASF yet!

 

[SarahS]

2 different emails with 2 different athletes name were sent to my email… no response from USASF yet!

They had a problem with a mail merge and athlete names were associated with incorrect email addresses.

 

[Mom2Cheergirls]

It's a mixture. Plus, as others pointed out, being on YE is not the same thing as being on SE. Many girls on YE only have a tuck or a layout, but are talented at stunting and needed for those skills. Additionally, some are using their time on the Youth 3 team as a way to learn how to base or backspot as opposed to flying on YE.

I am sorry I just do not agree with this if you have the skill to be on Y5 then you are on Y5 and should not be put on to fill up on a Y3. Yes I get that they are filling a need but the point is they are on a Y5 and are there by gym placement for whatever reason they should then not be placed on a Y3 team as well. It is wrong when going against teams that are filled with girls who are truly on y3 because it is the appropriate level for them. ANY team could use the excuse you list and reason it out but as a parent with a child on a y3 I would be furious to know that girls were crossing over from a Y5. I would call it cheating to win at a y3 level.

 

[Mom2Cheergirls]

I mean, I think it's smart to become a well-rounded cheerleader this young. Some of them are bound to outgrow being flyer-sized and may have to base/back as they become seniors. (We're not all super versatile like Madi from Smoed.) I think it's more understandable/acceptable to cross down from a Y5 to a Y3 than from a senior 5 to a senior 2 to learn how to base/back.

Not if you are a parent going against the Y3 team in question in no way is it understandable or acceptable it is still sandbagging. Y3 teams are still going for Summit bids and wins and to see a bunch of athletes cross over 2 levels sorry that is just wrong. If the gym is concerned so much about creating well rounded young athletes able to do multiple positions then offer a class not do this.

 

[klynn64]

Can I just say that I'm a true level 1 athlete I have zero level 2 tumbling skills and there is little chance that I'll have my bhs solid by the end of the yr, that being said I'm competing on a level 2 team this yr and I push myself/get pushed twice as hard during level 2 trainings then I do during level 1 and it's lit a fire under my butt that makes me want to be better. I don't like that I can't tumble and my jumps aren't as amazing as they could be and I want to be better.

So while there is some talk about crossing over being bad (yes my level 2 is considered a crossover squads by our gym) for those less experienced athletes it's an advantage

Very well stated. I don't think anyone takes issue with a crossover when they are crossing over to a higher level team as in your case. Crossovers are primarily viewed in a negative light when they are used (or overused) on a team in order to create an unfair advantage over an opponent. It could be an unfair advantage due to the number of crossovers utilized, or the skill level of the crossover(s), or both. Nonetheless, you're in good shape.....no hate here.

 

[klynn64]

Cheer Extreme's Large Youth 3 team is made up of primarily level 5 crossovers. I have heard approximately 15-18 of them are level 5 athletes.

They should be ashamed. Not the athletes rather the coaches and the gym owner. They aren't, and they won't be, but they should be.