All-Star Youth Level 5

[TealShades]

Some field high level youth teams because they know it's an automatic summit bid with high likelihood of making it to finals. They want to advertise during tryouts season that they had X Team make it to the finals a Summit.

Meanwhile most cheer newbies wouldn't realize that there were only 2 Y5 teams in the country or maybe 5-6 Y4 teams so of course they made it Summit and the finals.

Would you be okay with these 2 y5 teams being on lower level teams?

 

[Boughetto]

Would you be okay with these 2 y5 teams being on lower level teams?

I don't care it's not my money nor my kid.

 

[Lablover]

Some field high level youth teams because they know it's an automatic summit bid with high likelihood of making it to finals. They want to advertise during tryouts season that they had X Team make it to the finals a Summit.

Meanwhile most cheer newbies wouldn't realize that there were only 2 Y5 teams in the country or maybe 5-6 Y4 teams so of course they made it Summit and the finals.

That team still needs to get a bid to summit regardless of how many teams are in their division at finals. Those youth 4-5 teams typically have to score competitively among the same level for paid and at large bids and other youth teams for wildcards.

 

[TealShades]

I don't care it's not my money nor my kid.

Ok thanks. I was just wondering since people bring up sandbagging or stacking L5's on lower levels. I feel like they would get bashed(not directed or pointing to you) either way they go. Gyms get questioned because they know there's only a handful of Y5 that may not have much competition. Or get questioned or bashed if they put those same L5's on a lower team(s). It's no winning for the gyms, team, parents or athletes.

 

[123jump4!]

Ok thanks. I was just wondering if people bring up sandbagging or stacking L5's on lower levels. I feel like they would get bashed(not directed or pointing to you) either way they go. Gyms get questioned because they know there's only a handful of Y5 that may not have much competition. Or get questioned or bashed if they put those same L5's on a lower team(s). It's no winning for the gyms, team, parents or athletes.

What do big gyms do that don't have Y5? I'm guessing putting these kids on J5 or J4. Smaller gyms probably don't have lots of 11 and under kids with L5 skills. The ones they have I'm ok with being on a lower level if there is no other team for them. That's not pure sandbagging IMO.

 

[SparkleSpankies]

Ok thanks. I was just wondering since people bring up sandbagging or stacking L5's on lower levels. I feel like they would get bashed(not directed or pointing to you) either way they go. Gyms get questioned because they know there's only a handful of Y5 that may not have much competition. Or get questioned or bashed if they put those same L5's on a lower team(s). It's no winning for the gyms, team, parents or athletes.

I was just gonna bring up the "sandbagging issue".. a level 5 athlete on a lower level b/c there is no appropriate team.... its a balance.. and being Y4/Y5 are such small divisions to start with, and some gyms aren't going to put those 8 year olds on a junior team for a variety of reasons, and they are "stuck" on a Y3... it's lose lose!

 

[Boughetto]

Ok thanks. I was just wondering since people bring up sandbagging or stacking L5's on lower levels. I feel like they would get bashed(not directed or pointing to you) either way they go. Gyms get questioned because they know there's only a handful of Y5 that may not have much competition. Or get questioned or bashed if they put those same L5's on a lower team(s). It's no winning for the gyms, team, parents or athletes.

Gotcha! I now understand the rational behind your question. I really didn't want to answer for the reasons you stated. But, I don't think it would really be considered sandbagging if you place a handful of elite youths on a youth team 1 or 2 skill lower if you don't have the age appropriate team for them. But if you take 10-11 youth 4/5 kids to form a youth 2 team I don't think that would be appropriate. But I don't want to turn this thread into a sandbagging thread. I think we have a ton of those already.

 

[cheermomforever]

Would you be okay with these 2 y5 teams being on lower level teams?

I think most Yth 5 athletes r on another team, sometimes 2 others.

 

[Pebbles49]

I think most Yth 5 athletes r on another team, sometimes 2 others.

Right, l wanted to mention that most Y5 athletes from most of the other gyms, besides the one my daughter's team were commonly crossed on to other teams... Matter of fact, CEA and ECE Y5 athletes from conversations with them made up Y3 or Jr 5 teams and I am speaking before the added Jr Res5 teams were in existence... So, I think to salvage the Y5 division, it might necessary for these athletes to be on other teams and cross to Y5 for big events like NCA, UCA or Cheersport for it to be cost effective...

 

[california cheer mom]

What do big gyms do that don't have Y5? I'm guessing putting these kids on J5 or J4. Smaller gyms probably don't have lots of 11 and under kids with L5 skills. The ones they have I'm ok with being on a lower level if there is no other team for them. That's not pure sandbagging IMO.

I think they put them on junior teams. Cali (as an example) has very few youth teams amongst all their locations. I think the highest level youth they have is a 3, and that's a fairly new team.

 

[Lablover]

I think having youth teams at higher levels is sometimes the best option. If a gym has enough youth age kids with level 4 skills to field a team that will score competitively in level 4, but decide not to field the youth 4 team and disperse the youth age kids into a jr 4 or if age eligibe sr4 what if there are too many level 4 kids within gym and not enough spots in those teams? To me it makes more sense to create a youth 4 and jr4 then 2 jr4 teams if one of the junior teams is going to be mostly all youth age anyway. From my experience our gym tends to have a lot of level 4 athletes in all age ranges.

 

[littlestALLSTAR]

Some field high level youth teams because they know it's an automatic summit bid with high likelihood of making it to finals. They want to advertise during tryouts season that they had X Team make it to the finals a Summit.

Meanwhile most cheer newbies wouldn't realize that there were only 2 Y5 teams in the country or maybe 5-6 Y4 teams so of course they made it Summit and the finals.

Twinkles didn't get a Summit bid this year. Competing against other non-worlds level five teams for the bid is tough.

 

[littlestALLSTAR]

I think most Yth 5 athletes r on another team, sometimes 2 others.

This is definitely not happening at World Cup, crossing over is not the norm (on any team). We had one Y5 child cross to J5 last season another to a level 3 team both to fill in for an injury, one became permanent. I have no opinion on whether or not it's a good or bad thing, it's just not being done at our location. (Yet I was always grateful to only have to buy one set of practice wear and one uniform. Worked for me!!)

 

[BBinNCsMom]

Twinkles didn't get a Summit bid this year. Competing against other non-worlds level five teams for the bid is tough.

Why didn't they go for a wild card? Just curious. Those types of teams usually have no problem beating other youth teams for wildcard bids. And the scarcity of teams makes a wildcard bid desirable for those divisions.

 

[littlestALLSTAR]

Why didn't they go for a wild card? Just curious. Those types of teams usually have no problem beating other youth teams for wildcard bids. And the scarcity of teams makes a wildcard bid desirable for those divisions.

Honestly, the team wasn't chasing bids at all last season. We were already scheduled to compete at UCA, so Summit was a big expense (from NJ) for the parents....even if a paid bid was on the table.