All-Star Tcu Not Allowed To Perform Baskets At Nca Nationals

[ztaprincess]

I agree, somewhat, with SharkDad. But I'm not into this STUNT or NCATA thing. I think some type of college cheer governing body needs to exsist to do a few things, but when it comes down to it, college cheerleading is not allstars. College cheer does not exsist to compete. That is something most college squads decide on their own and fund themselves. Now maybe cheerleaders should take a stand and not cheer on the college level until something changes, I don't see much happening. All my years working in cheerleading and the thing I see least often are injuries due to baskets. Maybe thats me being paranoid and overly cautious but still...

I think a governing body would be great but who would listen to it? Most college cheer squads are simply support groups that do not bring in money to the athletic department so whats the point for them to fund one?

Cheerleading on the college level is a performance activity more than it is a sport simply because most colleges spend the majority of their time on the sidelines. Do I want that to change? Yes. Do I want it to change into something similar or the same as STUNT or NCATA - HECK NO!

Disclaimer: I want college cheerleading to survive and thrive, but I think it needs to be a good mix of sideline cheer and competition. College is not allstars.

I agree. I have been against the STUNT and NCATA thing from the beginning because I don't feel it was necessary to change things to the format that they made. Of course they will argue that it was a must, but I beg to differ. I feel that if the major players of college cheer, NCA and UCA, came together they could put together a format that is still showing off the athletic ability while still giving them the traditional look that college cheer has always been. Look at Team USA in 2009. They had James Speed and Jomo Thompson has their coed coaches and together they took a NCA and UCA routine and combined it into one that showcased great skill. I like what someone posted in the NCATA Championship thread in the college section, they said that what NCATA has done is not take a step in getting college cheerleading recognized as a sport, they have instead created a new sport to become recognized.

I just don't see teams like Kentucky who are a major part of the basketball and football games up and leaving their tradition because of a governing body that wants them to give that up. If that is what it takes to make college cheer an NCAA sport then so be it but I see a lot of teams skipping it and keeping what they already have.

 

[King]

I agree. I have been against the STUNT and NCATA thing from the beginning because I don't feel it was necessary to change things to the format that they made. Of course they will argue that it was a must, but I beg to differ. I feel that if the major players of college cheer, NCA and UCA, came together they could put together a format that is still showing off the athletic ability while still giving them the traditional look that college cheer has always been. Look at Team USA in 2009. They had James Speed and Jomo Thompson has their coed coaches and together they took a NCA and UCA routine and combined it into one that showcased great skill. I like what someone posted in the NCATA Championship thread in the college section, they said that what NCATA has done is not take a step in getting college cheerleading recognized as a sport, they have instead created a new sport to become recognized.

I just don't see teams like Kentucky who are a major part of the basketball and football games up and leaving their tradition because of a governing body that wants them to give that up. If that is what it takes to make college cheer an NCAA sport then so be it but I see a lot of teams skipping it and keeping what they already have.

What they already have isn't permanent. If the Alabama AD went to UK what is to stop him from doing the same at their school?

 

[ztaprincess]

What they already have isn't permanent. If the Alabama AD went to UK what is to stop him from doing the same at their school?

But since they are so respected by the entire University as well as the fans do you really think the school would allow the AD to do that? Just knowing how the University feels about their cheerleaders I would not be surprised if the President of the University in some way put a stop to something like that happening. Who knows though.

I'm not sure how the cheerleaders at Alabama were looked at by the entire University but it is possible that their situation is completely different then say it is as UK.

 

[Joe]

Did anyone else know about this?

fine than take away the defensive line on tcu's football team see how good they do without that

 

[King]

But since they are so respected by the entire University as well as the fans do you really think the school would allow the AD to do that? Just knowing how the University feels about their cheerleaders I would not be surprised if the President of the University in some way put a stop to something like that happening. Who knows though.

I'm not sure how the cheerleaders at Alabama were looked at by the entire University but it is possible that their situation is completely different then say it is as UK.

Here is the issue, one year after the cheerleaders are not allowed to compete and do harder tricks (and all the buzz has died down) outside of our cheer world who would still get their feathers in a ruffle over the cheerleaders not being able to do their skills at a game? I think people put way too much faith in the public's desire to have us do skills.

 

[Deleted member 15]

What they already have isn't permanent. If the Alabama AD went to UK what is to stop him from doing the same at their school?

T. Lynn.

 

[King]

T. Lynn.

I don't know anything about the setup of their organization. Who is T. Lynn? And, will he/she live forever?

 

[Deleted member 15]

He is Senior Counsel for the University and the Cheerleading Advisor. He has been with the program as long as I have been alive and even though some don't know it, he is the reason it is what it is. He probably won't live forever, but I won't be the one to tell him that.

 

[King]

He is Senior Counsel for the University and the Cheerleading Advisor. He has been with the program as long as I have been alive and even though some don't know it, he is the reason it is what it is. He probably won't live forever, but I won't be the one to tell him that.

Two things:

1. Sounds like an amazing person that keeps UK as strong and amazing as they are
2. If it takes someone that amazing to keep a program going then cheerleading is not big enough to handle a rough road. We are one basket toss away from no more baskets. One dropped stunt away from no more stunts. One standing back tuck away from no more flipping. And even if T. Lynn was able to keep UK above water in case of a flood, if there is no one left to compete with then what would be the point?

It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.

 

[King]

He is Senior Counsel for the University and the Cheerleading Advisor. He has been with the program as long as I have been alive and even though some don't know it, he is the reason it is what it is. He probably won't live forever, but I won't be the one to tell him that.

Said a different way, someone amazing like T. Lynn should be around to help a program win, not be around to make sure a program doesn't go away.

 

[HeatUniqueJ]

I don't even get why they prohibited Basket Tosses for the Team, what's the point? Did someone get hurt before? Seems like they've been performing Tosses before so why ban them now? This is just confusing to me

 

[cheer coach k]

"Football is dangerous, but we choose to participate in football." Um....what? What does that even mean, dude?

i was thinking the exact same thing!

 

[Deleted member 15]

Two things:

1. Sounds like an amazing person that keeps UK as strong and amazing as they are
2. If it takes someone that amazing to keep a program going then cheerleading is not big enough to handle a rough road. We are one basket toss away from no more baskets. One dropped stunt away from no more stunts. One standing back tuck away from no more flipping. And even if T. Lynn was able to keep UK above water in case of a flood, if there is no one left to compete with then what would be the point?

It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.

Competitive College Cheerleading is a couple of incidents away from being restricted to the point of not being fun. If it was only one away it would have ended with the UNC cheerleader at the ACC Tournament.

NCATA or Stunt becoming an emerging or real sport, in the sense of the NCAA recognition, will hurt traditional competitive college cheerleading because the administrators will point to the sport as the place people wanting to do elite skills can go and start/continue to restrict what traditional cheerleaders can do. That's great for girls and gyms that teach technique, but we need a plan B for guys (and I know you'll point to Open).

Side Note - I think you'd like T. He's really intelligent and matter of fact.

 

[King]

Competitive College Cheerleading is a couple of incidents away from being restricted to the point of not being fun. If it was only one away it would have ended with the UNC cheerleader at the ACC Tournament.

NCATA or Stunt becoming an emerging or real sport, in the sense of the NCAA recognition, will hurt traditional competitive college cheerleading because the administrators will point to the sport as the place people wanting to do elite skills can go and start/continue to restrict what traditional cheerleaders can do. That's great for girls and gyms that teach technique, but we need a plan B for guys (and I know you'll point to Open).

Side Note - I think you'd like T. He's really intelligent and matter of fact.

Love to meet him one day.

Let me change my wording. One high profile incident. The Salukis would agree with me.

Traditional competitive college cheer doesn't have a lot of strong footing. It is not widely spread (the competitive part) and well developed. Though if it becomes TOO well developed and popular then more people will want a piece of the pie. If it shrinks too much no one will care. NCATA or STUNT is necessary to keep competitive college cheer from going away.

Can you really look at competitive college cheer right now and say it has a future 20 years from now? (the NCA / UCA part).

 

[Mrs.CheerExtreme]

Love to meet him one day.

Let me change my wording. One high profile incident. The Salukis would agree with me.

Traditional competitive college cheer doesn't have a lot of strong footing. It is not widely spread (the competitive part) and well developed. Though if it becomes TOO well developed and popular then more people will want a piece of the pie. If it shrinks too much no one will care. NCATA or STUNT is necessary to keep competitive college cheer from going away.

Can you really look at competitive college cheer right now and say it has a future 20 years from now? (the NCA / UCA part).

I don't mean to butt in and might not offer any new insights, but heck...i'll try.
I kind of agree with Kingston here. No we can't really say that competitive college cheer has a future in 20 years because its not going to well right now, let alone thinking about it working out too far into the future. Its not THAT hard to get a bid to nationals... our school got one and dropped over half their routine when they got there.... I mean there is difinitely competitiveness among the top 3 division 1 schools, but outside of that where is the competitiveness? I mean the fact that the university can restrict whether a team throws baskets or not at competition kind of takes that away. It would be different if NCA said they couldn't throw baskets because they can makes those same restrictions on other teams.

I wonder how many people would even notice if there weren't any more cheerleaders at football or basketball games or if they canceled Nationals. I mean the cheerleaders obviously would, but it would probably not cause a huge uproar outside of the cheerleading community.