All-Star Battle Under The Big Top Schedule, Teams, And Thoughts

[samantha says]

Allstar Challenge has two sheets that a team performing is judged; A technical sheet "green" and a Performance sheet "purple." ASC weighs most of their scoring system on the purple sheet consisting of jumps, motions, dance, showmanship, formations, choreography, creativity, and overall impression. Stingrays Jr 4 (Platinum) has always done a great job on this part of the scoresheet. They have a very difficult routine that doesn't stop moving. ASC rewards all teams that can be technically clean while entertaining a crowd. I know that this team has always been fun to watch even with a drop or two...

Hope this helps you understand the scoresheet a little more

Irony of the green and purple sheets... In a competition held in the state of GA... Too funny.

 

[xtremeteal4life]

RJsExtremeMom and mstealtoyou

those were some awesome routines!!! :jawdrop:
So proud of them both!

 

[j4z0n]

Bringing in the child card I see
He's old enough to know when to shove a sock in it and when he can say what he wants, and he made the decision to post it publicly before I ever said a thing about it. If I were to post something on Twitter, and someone referenced it, with my name, on another site, that's my own fault. I put it out for the public to see and do with as they please.

its part of their grieving process

 

[ufomom]

its part of their grieving process

Yes, I agree. The kids from both of those teams are great kids and it was a very emotional experience. Should they do better yes, but part of being a kid is "growing up" and growing up is not a smooth, stream-lined experience where you do everything right. It is awkward and you make mistakes and learn from them. Life is not a black and white experience, nor are people. I am glad I grew up in a time when I could not throw my every emotion out to the word with a click. I am an adult and I make "posting" mistakes.

 

[Melissa Burdick]

I'm sure your girls were upset but please don't try to take anything away from the other team. The best thing you could have done instead of naming areas where you thought you beat Platinum was to look at the score sheet and see where they outscored you. Platinum also had high energy, great expressions and facials, but it takes more than that to win. Since you mentioned scores I went back to check and it's obvious why they won, yes your tech score was higher but not by much on day 1, the pres score is what killed you. Your tech score was day 1 93.27 Platinum day 1 193.09 only (.18 difference) day 2 Jayhawks 96.91 Platinum 95.45 (1.46 difference) . Pres score Jayhawks-day 1 & 2 84.67, Platinum-day 1 87.83 (3.16) day 2 90.33 (5.66) this is where you got beat. I just hate when people only look at half of the picture and yes they appeared to take it with grace and class but you, not so much. Hope that helps clear up your confusion. Good luck, the season is just starting!

Cheerfan27-- I find it very interesting that you take a personal character "stab" (for lack of a better word) at me, when not once did I say anything negative about platinum. I even complemented the whole gym.. " I am not hating on the stingrays, they are an amazing gym, with amazing athletes. I am just confused.. Congrats to Orange and Top Gun for their paid bids to worlds!" I mearly stated my confusion, and some facts.

This was my first experience at Battle Under the Big Top. I did not look at half of the picture, I obivously can read a final results sheet. I see that the score difference was in the performance collumn. Which is why I posted in the first place. I was hoping to find out what the judges where judging on the performance score sheet. I have gotten some good answers to this, but not a clear cut answer. I still don't understand how dropped stunt, and bobbles both days can out score a team without either. In my opinion, dropped stunts and bobbles should count against your performance score.

I do pose another question: Do large teams tend to score higher on performance than small teams?

My mistake was saying the names of the teams. I sincerely apologize for that. My original post was not meant to take "anything" away from Platinum. I was and still am a "good sport". Again, it was mearly for expressing confusion on the scoring aspect of the competition.

My hope is for everyone to have a safe and wonderful competiton season.

 

[cheerinfo]

Gone are the days (for the MOST part) where you can't fall and still win. There are so many aspects of a score sheet that can make up for a fall, bobble, disaster occurring. What a lot of people don't realize and pay attention to (coaches for example) are the little details. And people think it's all about the big stunts, "hitting" your routine, big tumbling skills. But at the end of the day, scoresheets are comprised of so much more. Stingrays (among a few other gyms) are just very good at working the other aspects of a scoresheet. It may take those gyms a little longer to "peak", but in the end, a lot of times it pays in dividends. My GUESS as to why that Rays team won was because they have amazing precision in jumps, transitions and standing tumbling as well as good dance choreography. They also probably hit the difficulty aspect with their stunts and tumbling. Sure, they may have suffered a few execution points at Battle for having falls/bobbles, but not enough to outweigh how well they hit in all the other areas. Hope this helps!!

edited to tag: Melissa Burdick

 

[cheers2u]

Cheerfan27-- I find it very interesting that you take a personal character "stab" (for lack of a better word) at me, when not once did I say anything negative about platinum. I even complemented the whole gym.. " I am not hating on the stingrays, they are an amazing gym, with amazing athletes. I am just confused.. Congrats to Orange and Top Gun for their paid bids to worlds!" I mearly stated my confusion, and some facts.

This was my first experience at Battle Under the Big Top. I did not look at half of the picture, I obivously can read a final results sheet. I see that the score difference was in the performance collumn. Which is why I posted in the first place. I was hoping to find out what the judges where judging on the performance score sheet. I have gotten some good answers to this, but not a clear cut answer. I still don't understand how dropped stunt, and bobbles both days can out score a team without either. In my opinion, dropped stunts and bobbles should count against your performance score.

I do pose another question: Do large teams tend to score higher on performance than small teams?

My mistake was saying the names of the teams. I sincerely apologize for that. My original post was not meant to take "anything" away from Platinum. I was and still am a "good sport". Again, it was mearly for expressing confusion on the scoring aspect of the competition.

My hope is for everyone to have a safe and wonderful competiton season.

My goodness do we feel your pain. You are not the only gym this happened to this past weekend. Be certain of that!

 

[Melissa Burdick]

Gone are the days (for the MOST part) where you can't fall and still win. There are so many aspects of a score sheet that can make up for a fall, bobble, disaster occurring. What a lot of people don't realize and pay attention to (coaches for example) are the little details. And people think it's all about the big stunts, "hitting" your routine, big tumbling skills. But at the end of the day, scoresheets are comprised of so much more. Stingrays (among a few other gyms) are just very good at working the other aspects of a scoresheet. It may take those gyms a little longer to "peak", but in the end, a lot of times it pays in dividends. My GUESS as to why that Rays team won was because they have amazing precision in jumps, transitions and standing tumbling as well as good dance choreography. They also probably hit the difficulty aspect with their stunts and tumbling. Sure, they may have suffered a few execution points at Battle for having falls/bobbles, but not enough to outweigh how well they hit in all the other areas. Hope this helps!!

edited to tag: Melissa Burdick

Thank you for your response. I really appreciate it. It does bring me to another question: I am full of questions What about whole team tumbling together on time. For example: Lets say team A (small) the whole team does 2 bs to full lands clean, together, and are precise, and team B (large) only 66% of the team does 2 bs to full lands clean, together, and are precise. How is this viewed at this competition?

Sorry to be such a pain.

 

[cheerinfo]

Melissa Burdick - Well, that depends sometimes. It is obviously harder to get 32 kids to all do the highest level skill, whereas on a team of 20, not so much. I would think you might score SLIGHTLY higher for full squad. But being that both squads have at least majority, I don't know how big of a difference it would be.

 

[cheerinfo]

My goodness do we feel your pain. You are not the only gym this happened to this past weekend. Be certain of that!

:banghead::deadhorse::cow::cookie:

 

[Just-a-Mom]

OK. Read the whole thread (yes, all 38 pages.) And watched all the videos (that part was way more fun than reading most of this...)

I'm no judge...or coach...or anything. But I'm throwing in my 2 cents anyway, for which I will be probably be fried. So here it is: Teal Army, this is mostly a question for you. About a week ago, we all enjoyed 7 pages of bantering back and forth about the legality of parts of SE's routine. The "Teal Army" side of the argument seemed to be, for the most part, that Courtney knows what she is doing and we're all a bunch of jealous haters who sit around looking for reasons to pick on SE. The other side, for the most part, seemed to be "Why is SE wasting time practicing something they know they can't compete, just to be cutting edge??? Seems silly and dangerous...and seems like maybe someone SHOULD point it out." (I've nicely grabbed some quotes from that thread since it's now locked so you don't HAVE TO go searching for it if you don't want to - but you're welcome to. They're down below).

Then this comp and they don't get the paid bid they wanted. And what's the FIRST excuse that's thrown out? Well..."We put that routine together in literally a week!"

So my question is this: Which is it? It IS a good idea to waste time learning a a routine that has illegal elements to perform at a showcase...or it is a good idea to spend more than a week putting together a legal routine for a very important bid comp (going against 5 other Worlds medalists for 2 paid bids) that is 2 weeks after the showcase?

Yes, I am being a little facetious. Just pointing out that when the teal army comes running out, guns blazing, yelling that we're all just jealous haters and we all say "Um...no...we're just wondering why you're working on illegal stunts for a showcase when you should be working on legal stunts that you CAN compete..." don't be so quick to say, essentially, "Shut up. We know what we're doing." Maybe, just maybe...every once in awhile...someone might be just trying to throw some useful info your way.

Just appears that "the other side" may have been right in this case - if the coach(es) knew it was illegal, it appears it wasn't a good idea to waste time working on it. If they didn't know, then it appears some useful info came out of that thread being posted, as last minute changes were obviously made.



From the illegal elements thread:

--"In every sport I participated in, there were always one or two coaches who seemed to be "smarter" than everyone else, who could get away with things that others could not or would not even try, who would push to bend the rules as far as they could and would only back down if they were pushed back very hard by an equally strong person. IMO Courtney is one of those types of coaches. Not that it is good or bad, just is.​

But I also believe that by whatever their major competitions are the elements will either be removed or altered to fit enough of the rules and if there is a grey area, that is where it will try to be placed. I just hope the numerous teams, programs and coaches that follow that program and try so hard to be just like them don't try to do the same thing because they don't have the "pull" of this program and it wont work out to good for them."​

--"You do know this was an event for only Cheer Extreme right? X-Evolution...our own awesome, individual, and unique event "
--" I am not a coach, and I will defer to Courtney bc I trust her judgement and it seems to me like she knows what's she's doing after all these years."

--"I'm just a nobody excheer mom of a girl who no longer cheers but LOVE to come on here and youtube and watch videos of all these amazing teams. I have this question to pose... Even IF this was a private showcase having nothing to do with the judging or competitive world shouldn't teams only be doing or practicing stunts that are Legal and allowed within the realm of the USASF? Although I don't know all the ins and outs of the USASF and their rules, my understanding of the purpose for them is to establish guidelines within the sport to keep our children safe and not performing stunts and skills that could be more dangerous than what they are already expected to do. I just don't understand how it's only a showcase is an answer for an athlete doing such a dangerous skill. I know how many weeks and weeks it would take my daughter's teams back in the day to master a pyramid I don't know why they would work so hard on skills like that before the season starts if they are not legal. My daughter's teams used to goof around at the end of the season and maybe make up stunts and pyramids at the END of the season but never during the season and always with sanctioned skills."

 

[vipergirl]

I totally agree with your idea to only focus about your own achievements and try to stay away from being critical of others without being constructive (I.e. positive and helpful). I wish people would go back and read the rules sometimes, I think that is covered there.

I also hope you don't really think that no one is showing sportsmanship right now. There was actually plenty of it going around this weekend. Some of it in this thread even.

no, of course...i saw a lot of very good sportsmanship tweets etc as well...i was referring to some very unsportsmanlike things going around from teams who did not even attend BUTBT, that's what i was referring to! .

 

[SharkDad]

no, of course...i saw a lot of very good sportsmanship tweets etc as well...i was referring to some very unsportsmanlike things going around from teams who did not even attend BUTBT, that's what i was referring to! .

I knew that, just pointing it out for others reading your post (which was a good one)

 

[brebrid]

Any video of Platinum and Jayhawks?

 

[Just-a-Mom]

I should probably clarify, I am really just playing devil's advocate from the other thread. I actually reeeeally like SE's routine (and I liked the one they did at X Evolution). So this certainly wasn't to say anything about the girls or the routine. Just saying that not everyone is always "hating" - sometimes people are genuinely curious about something. So maybe be a little less quick to jump all over people - even people who sometimes do hate.