All-Star The Summit-bids

[sapphire09]

Are there rules regarding the actual athletes who won the bid and those who compete at the summit? Or number of crossovers from worlds?

Just hearing rumors of a local team keeping approx 16 of their level 5 athletes around to put on their coed 4 since the majority of the original team didn't want to go to Florida and the owner didn't want to turn down the bid.

My daughter's Large 4 Coed team is going. Reading this scares me.

 

[yourfavoritebackspot]

My daughter's Large 4 Coed team is going. Reading this scares me.

maybe next year the rules will address this. maybe like you must compete with your original roster of team mates unless 1 or 2 fill ins are needed to to injury (noted by doctor?) something like that. for now I trust my coach to prepare us to compete against the best. Good luck to yall

 

[Valvalmom]

maybe next year the rules will address this. maybe like you must compete with your original roster of team mates unless 1 or 2 fill ins are needed to to injury (noted by doctor?) something like that. for now I trust my coach to prepare us to compete against the best. Good luck to yall

If it wants to be like worlds, the rules should be similar in regards to crossovers, rosters, and waivers!

 

[yojaehs]

I hope that in the years to come they realize how some gyms who have a grip of upper level athletes, and will substitute just to win. Therefore changing the policy of substitutes, like at worlds. I mean, that is what this is kinda like right? "Kinda-Worlds" for our lower level athletes??

just hope that gets fixed. i am with Cheerforce and my restricted coed 5 and senior 3 will be attending on full paid bids, and we will be staying true to our kids that worked hard and are wanting to attend, no need to substitute higher level athletes. Would be nice to keep the playing ground level, yah know? IMO

I agree 8,000%!!! I think an NCA rule (no sandbagging aka ONLY cross within the same level and limited on the total number) would be a GREAT thing to do. ALSO, I think athletes should ONLY be allowed to compete at EITHER Worlds OR Summit (but considering they aren't the same company cough, cough this might not happen). I'm just really ready for the INDUSTRY to step up and make a rule and stick to it so we can move on.

 

[L5cheermom]

ACX is taking their J5 and SCoed3 who both won paid bids this weekend at BATB. Other teams have won at-large bids along the way, but those were turned down. I suspect the way this event works out will determine how at-large bids are handled in the future. It's tough to spring an additional out of town competition on families at the end of the season - and we're driving distance. I think Worlds divisions are always looking toward a Worlds bid and know that possibility up front. These other divisions aren't there yet. Perhaps if the event is successful and a positive reputation develops it will get there. Until then my gut tells me that many gyms will turn down at-large bids.

 

[cheernerd5678]

I agree 8,000%!!! I think an NCA rule (no sandbagging aka ONLY cross within the same level and limited on the total number) would be a GREAT thing to do. ALSO, I think athletes should ONLY be allowed to compete at EITHER Worlds OR Summit (but considering they aren't the same company cough, cough this might not happen). I'm just really ready for the INDUSTRY to step up and make a rule and stick to it so we can move on.

When I read this, I get the concept, but what about the restricted 5/J5 divisions?If an athlete on a Worlds team quits or is injured before worlds and they need a substitute, in order to pull an athlete up they would have to have the athlete ditch their normal team that they've been with the whole season... I'm pretty sure most athletes would choose worlds, because it's a cool opportunity for them, but it really sucks for their normal team.... I get that it would be a VERY small percentage of teams running into this issue but if it happened it would be really disappointing for the kids. Maybe the rule could be that if you compete at Worlds, you're only allowed to compete on a level 5 team at The Summit?

 

[Nothanks]

When I read this, I get the concept, but what about the restricted 5/J5 divisions?If an athlete on a Worlds team quits or is injured before worlds and they need a substitute, in order to pull an athlete up they would have to have the athlete ditch their normal team that they've been with the whole season... I'm pretty sure most athletes would choose worlds, because it's a cool opportunity for them, but it really sucks for their normal team.... I get that it would be a VERY small percentage of teams running into this issue but if it happened it would be really disappointing for the kids. Maybe the rule could be that if you compete at Worlds, you're only allowed to compete on a level 5 team at The Summit?

If there would be a way to work that in with the cross within level (R5 should be included with 5) it'd be more understandable. "If you competed at Worlds, you're only allowed to compete on a J5 or R5 team at The Summit. All other participants may not cross between levels." I'd get on board with that. I was actually thinking about the NCA rule when I read yojaehs post, but had the same thought as you, so I was trying to figure out a way that could be approached.

 

[yojaehs]

When I read this, I get the concept, but what about the restricted 5/J5 divisions?If an athlete on a Worlds team quits or is injured before worlds and they need a substitute, in order to pull an athlete up they would have to have the athlete ditch their normal team that they've been with the whole season... I'm pretty sure most athletes would choose worlds, because it's a cool opportunity for them, but it really sucks for their normal team.... I get that it would be a VERY small percentage of teams running into this issue but if it happened it would be really disappointing for the kids. Maybe the rule could be that if you compete at Worlds, you're only allowed to compete on a level 5 team at The Summit?

My opinion is that kids should only be allowed to be on one team. This is my opinion and supported by few and that's ok. My hopes are that a consistent crossover policy can but put into place industry wide. Regardless of what it is I just want SOMETHING that everyone has to follow. In the scenario you presented my personal feeling is that the gym would need to choose which competition they would want to attend. Now, currently, this is not the case. If we were referring to LAST season J5 didn't even have the option so it wouldn't be an issue.

Because your scenario is representing such a small portion of the competition my opinion is based on a much larger portion of the event. I have already heard of kids that WILL compete at Worlds AND Summit. Levels J2, J3, Sr2, Sr3 and list goes on and on. Now, they are well within the rules so I have no reason to be upset. Do I feel that it should be that way, no. Is my gym doing this, no (currently, if we have an injury in the future it MIGHT happen). If we do we are well within the rules. However, if there is a rule in place that does not allow it then we would make the necessary legal adjustments.

I mean what if a team that doesn't get a bid in sm sr 5 to worlds, chooses to get a Summit bid in Sr 2? I mean there is nothing stopping this. Has it happened? Idk, if it has but why not?

I think people need to look at rules not to benefit the one exception to rule and start looking at what's best for the industry.

Are we seriously treating the Summit like Worlds? If you don't attend your gym closes and loses kids? It hasn't even happened yet, come on people!

 

[yojaehs]

If there would be a way to work that in with the cross within level (R5 should be included with 5) it'd be more understandable. "If you competed at Worlds, you're only allowed to compete on a J5 or R5 team at The Summit. All other participants may not cross between levels." I'd get on board with that. I was actually thinking about the NCA rule when I read yojaehs post, but had the same thought as you, so I was trying to figure out a way that could be approached.

I could support that. Level to level I can agree with.

 

[allstarmama]

If all other levels are allowed to crossover why should level 5 kids be excluded just because they have the opportunity to go to Worlds? If they've cross-competed on the team all year I don't know why they should have to choose one event over the other. That just doesn't seem fair. I do disagree with the aforementioned team that plans to replace athletes with level 5 kids that were not on the team at the time the bid was won. That's something the producers should have dealt with from the beginning rather than saying, "Sure you can add 10 kids to your roster AFTER you win your bid".

 

[Nothanks]

If all other levels are allowed to crossover why should level 5 kids be excluded just because they have the opportunity to go to Worlds? If they've cross-competed on the team all year I don't know why they should have to choose one event over the other. That just doesn't seem fair. I do disagree with the aforementioned team that plans to replace athletes with level 5 kids that were not on the team at the time the bid was won. That's something the producers should have dealt with from the beginning rather than saying, "Sure you can add 10 kids to your roster AFTER you win your bid".

They can crossover to as many teams of the same level as they want. They just can't be on a level 4 and a level 2 team (for example) at the same time. It's the same as NCA...NCA just has all levels competing at the same time and place, where as Worlds and The Summit are not, so there has to be a way to keep worlds athletes from being dropped down to lower levels.

 

[Ld3319]

This is the problem with cheer in general. Worlds seems to be the only place there is some regulation. I'm tired of watching gyms use all kinds of tactics to get a win and when things don't go their way, cry "but we DESERVED it!" What does a level 2 win do to your spirit when it was won with a team stacked of level 4 and 5 athletes? Is the banner on your wall so important that the fun and excitement of true competition no longer exists to you?

Just because something is allowed doesn't mean it's right or ethical. Until there are more regulations in place, this is what we have. I find these practices more disgusting every year.

But I digress....

You couldn't have said it better! It is about the almighty win for some.

 

[NEliteSteven]

I don't get the point of crossing over if it's level to level? I honestly don't get the benefit? My gym has crossovers, it's not a secret. Would I consider us sandbagging? Absolutely not. We have a backspot on Sr 4, and she flies on S3 because due to the kids on the team it's not possible on S4--and that sort of stuff.

 

[yourfavoritebackspot]

I really dont think crossing over and keeping it to 1 level apart is a big deal, but thia past weekend i did see a level 5 kid on a level 2 team? Hello.. to me thats just not right if a team is going to stack level 4s on a level 1, and level 5s on level 2 or 3. I dont know. it is what it is at this point

 

[allstarmama]

I'm not a fan of only being to be able to cross in the same level. Should a level 5 kid ever be on a level 2 team...probably not. However, crossing one level should not be an issue. You have kids that are true level 4's that may get an opportunity to cross to level 5. I thought the real issue the poster posed was the fact that there are no regulations as to the kids competing at the comp being the same kids that won the bid and that you don't have to compete with the same number of athletes. I have no issue with level 5 crossovers on a level 4 provided they aren't just added to the team for The Summit. However, I have no doubt it will happen because the producers came right out and said it's ok.


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