All-Star Themed Practice Controversy

[Official OWECheer]

This thread just reminded me how excited I am for this movie to come out:




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I HAVE to see this! When is it coming out? (BTW I'm crazy excited that Tyler James Williams is in this... I loved Everybody Hates Chris.)

@Pip22 just like Tyler Perry movies.

 

[icame2WERQ]

Me too. Although I think it's not about what you think it's about. It'll be interesting to see. I'll hold off my comments on it until I actually see it. (Side note - I LOL at anyone that thinks any form of mainstream media - specifically the Fox news she mentions - is remotely demonstrative of what white people think)



I disagree with this more than I've ever disagreed with anything I've read on Fierce Board.

Obviously this is more often true for minorities (that it does affect their success I mean). But if you think white people can't experience racism... Or have it affect their success or keep them from getting a job... I have some reality for you up here in Chicago (not the southern US, so it's different. Yes, really.)



I don't know what to say to this that won't get me banned, so I'm just quoting it to say wow. The amount of time it would take me to type out why this is wrong is not even imaginable. I'm curious if you would be willing to elaborate on this though. (in your own words, not a quote)

What don't you understand?


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[Eyes On The Prize]

If there was ever a time where my closet love for musical theater was needed, its now. :cheering:



I made sure to get the version with lyrics so everyone could sing along.

 

[Pip22]

I HAVE to see this! When is it coming out? (BTW I'm crazy excited that Tyler James Williams is in this... I loved Everybody Hates Chris.)

@Pip22 just like Tyler Perry movies.

Oh I don't care about Tyler Perry movies not making it to the UK. They have no place being shown anywhere but that's a topic for another time.

 

[Official OWECheer]

If there was ever a time where my closet love for musical theater was needed, its now. :cheering:



I made sure to get the version with lyrics so everyone could sing along.

My favorite musical. Muppets rule!

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

My favorite musical. Muppets rule!

It's definitely not my favorite musical, or at least in my top 10, but I really appreciate all the music that comes out of it. It's real and I feel like it's applicable to almost all people of every social group, race, etc. I love "Schadenfreude"! I'd like to see some of the people who posted on on this thread's reactions to The Book of Mormon.

 

[NJ Coach]

Rudeness is not racism. Black people can be bigoted, we can be prejudice, but we cannot be racist.
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I was NOT going to post on this thread, BUT yes they can. ANYONE can be racist. It doesn't have to be a Black/White thing. There are more races in this world than that. I'm sorry, but I feel that is a naive comment.

 

[cheernerd5678]

Me too. Although I think it's not about what you think it's about. It'll be interesting to see. I'll hold off my comments on it until I actually see it. (Side note - I LOL at anyone that thinks any form of mainstream media - specifically the Fox news she mentions - is remotely demonstrative of what white people think)



I disagree with this more than I've ever disagreed with anything I've read on Fierce Board.

Obviously this is more often true for minorities (that it does affect their success I mean). But if you think white people can't experience racism... Or have it affect their success or keep them from getting a job... I have some reality for you up here in Chicago (not the southern US, so it's different. Yes, really.)



I don't know what to say to this that won't get me banned, so I'm just quoting it to say wow. The amount of time it would take me to type out why this is wrong is not even imaginable. I'm curious if you would be willing to elaborate on this though. (in your own words, not a quote)

I was more referring to her supposed "racism" that was really just rudeness. White people make claims on the regular about "racism" that isn't racism. Sure, white people can experience racism... but 90% of the time what people think is racism, really isn't, and that's what I meant.
For the record, anyone can be racist. ANYONE. You can be black, white, asian, hispanic - it doesn't matter, you can be racist! (ETA: this is jumping off the other post you quoted, not you!)

 

[icame2WERQ]

I was NOT going to post on this thread, BUT yes they can. ANYONE can be racist. It doesn't have to be a Black/White thing. There are more races in this world than that. I'm sorry, but I feel that is a naive comment.

Racism is different from prejudice or discrimination. All humans can be prejudiced or practice discrimination based on personal preferences. All humans do not have the power to institutionalize their prejudicial attitudes into laws and structures that favor one race over the other. This is the heart of racism.



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[Just-a-Mom]

What don't you understand?


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Ok, I'm not slow. So I don't know if you intended that to sound the way I took it, but it seems like you're trying to imply I'm stupid and can't understand something simple.

But anyway... I'll elaborate. I was wondering if you define racism differently than I do.

Are you saying black people cannot have a system in which they categorically deny something to someone based on race? (not just white people - Asian people for example. Black people can't be racist towards Asian people?)

Any person in a position of power can be racist. Any person who can deny, take away, or withhold something of value (even if that something is intangible) can be racist.

I totally agree with those saying that rude comments/hurting someone's feelings and racism are not the same thing. But is it different the other way around? Why is the beginning half of this thread is about how the "thug" theme was racist because it was offensive, but now all of a sudden being offended doesn't constitute being a victim of racism?

So, what I "don't understand" is how you are defining racism, because your statement doesn't hold true with either the dictionary definition of racism, or the beginning of this thread, in which numerous people stated that it was racist because people were offended.

It doesn't work both ways - either having your feelings hurt and being offended isn't racism... Or it is. If so, then the picture was racist - but then so is saying anything that starts with "I know all white people...(insert stereotype here)"

If racism is:
-having a system in which you categorically deny someone something based solely on race and no other factors
-believing that each race has qualities that are singular to their race and making them different from other races - and governing your behavior and thoughts towards other races based on this
- behaving in a way that prevents someone from getting a job, or achieving success in some way

... Then yes, black people can be racist.

If, however, you simply define racism as "white people harming black people (physically, economically, emotionally)," then yes - your statement is true.

 

[Official OWECheer]

I was NOT going to post on this thread, BUT yes they can. ANYONE can be racist. It doesn't have to be a Black/White thing. There are more races in this world than that. I'm sorry, but I feel that is a naive comment.

I think that if you consider the definition of racism that she provided, then yes, her statement is right (which gives another level of meaning to the phrase, 'society is racist'). However, if we simply define racism as prejudice, then yes, ANYONE can be racist (which I believe).

 

[Just-a-Mom]

White people make claims on the regular about "racism" that isn't racism. Sure, white people can experience racism... but 90% of the time what people think is racism, really isn't, and that's what I meant.

This isn't unique to white people. All people make claims on the regular about racism that isn't racism. I'd say your 90% is true of everyone, not just white people.

There's a difference between being a racist and being an @$$hat.

 

[cheernerd5678]

For the record I don't think the original photo was racist, nor am I offended, but I have zero authority to decide what offends or feels racist to other people. I just think it's dumb to do anything that could offend someone... because someone will be offended. It's also just not how I would want my program portrayed...
Also I'm a complete nerd and I think it's ridiculous to be offended by "nerd day." I feel like it was the parents who were offended, not the kids, because it's not just me, my friends who are nerds would totally embrace nerd day and go all out!
ETA: @Just-a-Mom don't want to double post, but you're right. The majority of all people don't understand what racism is.

 

[njallday]

Obviously this is more often true for minorities (that it does affect their success I mean). But if you think white people can't experience racism... Or have it affect their success or keep them from getting a job... I have some reality for you up here in Chicago (not the southern US, so it's different. Yes, really.)

"white students applying to medical school with a GPA in the 3.40-3.59 range and with an MCAT score in the 21-23 range (a below-average score on a test with a maximal score of 45) had an 11.5% acceptance rate (total of 1,500 applicants meeting these criteria). Meanwhile, a review of minority students (black, Latino, and Native American) with the same GPA and MCAT range had a 42.6% acceptance rate (total of 745 applicants meeting these criteria). Thus, as a minority student with a GPA and MCAT in the aforementioned ranges, you are more than 30% more likely to gain acceptance to a medical school."
(Even in Medical School, Affirmative Action Rules | American Renaissance

yes the statistics are somewhat skewed, because there is an overall smaller number of minorities applying to medical school... but if my resume is identical to someone in a minority, or even slightly better, they still have a much higher chance of getting into medical school in this country than i do.

the most qualified person should get into school/get the job/whatever. race shouldn't make a difference, but it does.

 

[NJ Coach]

Racism is different from prejudice or discrimination. All humans can be prejudiced or practice discrimination based on personal preferences. All humans do not have the power to institutionalize their prejudicial attitudes into laws and structures that favor one race over the other. This is the heart of racism.
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I found this exact quote on a google search of "Black Racism".

I think that if you consider the definition of racism that she provided, then yes, her statement is right (which gives another level of meaning to the phrase, 'society is racist'). However, if we simply define racism as prejudice, then yes, ANYONE can be racist (which I believe).

I also believe there is a huge difference between institutionalized racism and personal racism. To say that Black people can't be racist is naive. Is there a history of racism in this country, of course there is. Has it always been White people against Black people? Of course it hasn't. There have been plenty of races that have been on the receiving end in this country. Japanese in internment camps during WW2, essentially wiping out the entire Native population, basically every single immigrant group faced some form of racism at some point. I'm not minimizing any of it. All of it is a stain on our country. Every single one of those races are capable of racism.