All-Star Cheersport Scoring

BlueCat said:

I'm curious to see how the CHEERSPORT enrollment number will fluctuate. I think some will now go to CS because they are basically using NCA's scoring system. I think some will NOT go CS because they are now owned by Varsity.

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It's a double edged sword. While some may not like a single owner the closer we get to all events being run the same from the sport side (scoresheet, rules, and a consistent minimum requirement in warmups) the safer and faster our sport can grow. I think anyone who would leave would come back.

I also foresee 4 or 5 major events across the US in each region. CHEERSPORT is the south, NCA is Texas, JAMFEST is midwest. IDK the other two (I would say one in Cali and one in the Maryland area?). All of those I could see being 800+ events. People would attend little 1 day comps and those (which is what has basically been happening anyway).

kingston said:

Yeah my wife coaches the J4 at Rays. She told me they were in 8th place after day 1 (which sounds way out of it) but only by a point and a half ish. She told me they werent perfect and they missed some of the upper end ranges cause they ddin't have enough passes. For them personally I know they made adjustments to the routine and jumped up in some of the ranges (as they should). As for everyone else I didn't see them but I heard most didn't have a great day 2. When looking at it on paper it made sense, but gave the outward appearance of being a bigger jump than it really was.

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There were quite a few teams that were much better on Saturday in this division than Sunday (Rays obviously not included). In that case, many of those would be grateful for the 50/50 and not 25/75, I'd imagine.

GreatWhite92 said:

The only problem I have with taking off for recording is that you can't control what other gyms do. Half the iPads in the air at cheersport I garuntee you were not from the gym currently on the stage. Also what if I wanted to sabotage a team? Grab a few of my friends and obnoxiously hold iPads up during my competitors performance and bam deduction. Especially at cheersport there was just to many people to tell what gym they were from and that could cause some unfair deductions.

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It's not just other gyms, it is people in general. There are so many kids/parents that go to these larger events as spectators with no affiliation to any gym that particular day and they do record their favorite teams. It may not be an attempt to sabotage (although I would not put it past some) but just a desire to have a teams performance to watch later. Just about everyone has a smartphone with video capabilities now so it is almost impossible to stop people from recording and lately there seems to this big "race" .... Let's see who can record a performance and then upload it here on Fierce Board, Cheer Updates or YouTube first. The Cheer World has forever been changed by social media and the smartphone.

theres a reason why NCA is bigger than CheerSport this year people.

laughAlittle said:

theres a reason why NCA is bigger than CheerSport this year people.

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Not to be curt but its because CEA didn't go to CHEERSPORT. That's 20-40 teams. (No idea there number).

NCA Allstar has been bigger than CHEERSPORT Allstar for a couple years.

aggie1983 said:

BlueCat
Your post basically reflects the opinion of a coach for whom I have a great deal of respect. He quit taking teams there because he thought the judging was so unpredictable and didn't want his teams to get psyched out by perhaps performing poorly (or to perceive themselves as performing poorly) at Cheersport when NCA tends to follow so closely - one week apart recently.

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And I was just thinking that is EXACTLY the right thing to do. I have not read details of CEA reasoning for not going and really doesn't matter. What I think does matter is that the coaches felt strongly and decided NOT to go. Right/wrong/othewise, they stood up for what they thought and didn't go. Our gym doesn't go to Cheersport but I can think of one event we probably won't go back to based on inconsistency in scoring the last two years.

kingston said:

Not to be curt but its because CEA didn't go to CHEERSPORT. That's 20-40 teams. (No idea there number).

NCA Allstar has been bigger than CHEERSPORT Allstar for a couple years.

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sorry, but their*

laughAlittle said:

sorry, but their*

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You caught me. Damn you autocorrect, typing on a phone, and a Monday decompression beverage.

As an observer with no access to scoresheets, but having read the riles and the scoring guidelines, it didn't seem to me that they were following there own rules in some cases. Size within a division is to supposed to effect sores, but In some of the divisions I watched, it seemed to me that the teams with more members did better regardless. A team in a small division with 20 girls would score better than a team with 10, even when their routine didn't seem nearly as difficult and both ran clean. It also seems to me that falls cost smaller teams much more dearly.

Sorry, I meant to say size is NOT supposed to effect scoring.

kingston said:

Not to be curt but its because CEA didn't go to CHEERSPORT. That's 20-40 teams. (No idea there number).

NCA Allstar has been bigger than CHEERSPORT Allstar for a couple years.

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CHEERSPORT was larger last year 720 to 709.

Andre said:

CHEERSPORT was larger last year 720 to 709.

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I'm 0 for 2 today. I thought they were bigger Allstar.

I need another beverage obviously.

This is the first time in 5 years I haven't argued (and won) scoring. Across the board, all 8 teams we brought I felt were scored correctly. I didn't watch every team in every division. I'm sure over 700 teams there were some mistakes but like I said this is the first year my program did not.

I'm glad this was my last Cheersport. I'm biting my tongue and leaving it at, Cheersport scoring is worse than Crocs.

I actually saw a lot of change from day to day two with the teams from my gym..
Our J2 was in 4th day one (top 5 all separated by less than a point) fell on day 2 and dropped to 5th.
S2(my team) Our jumps were a little off timing, and a girl looked really awkward grabbing a body position in the pyramid and we were in 2nd day one by .5. Day two we went out and hit a PERFECT routine and ended up in 1st by .3 while the team in first basically did the routine the exact same.
S4; Was in 1st day one with a PERFECT routine, bombed day two and dropped to 6th.
We also had J3, S3, and S5 move spots that reflected off their performance but those are basically the ones that stood out. I do suspect something weird in the Sm Sr 3 division scoring.
Does anyone think it may be how each arena has different judges? I heard a lot of people getting comments on their score sheets that are opposites to others.