OT Artistic Gymnastics

[Ally13]

Agreed. Aly certainly won't do bars in team finals, but she will have to in qualifications to be given a shot at AA, just like she did in 2012. Bars is one of the main reasons Gabby is being brought to Rio, you can't leave her off in quals, especially since she has a chance at making bars finals (but might need some help along the way). Simone is a lock for AA, obviously, so she will be on bars in quals, and Madison....duh.

Given all of that, I don't see room for Laurie on bars that round and therefore no AA shot. I'm curious how people who think she will do AA would put up on bars in quals. I guess you would have to pull Aly out of all around.

I think Gabby will do bars/AA in quals, but I think if Laurie did I would do this:

VT: Laurie, Gabby, Aly, Simone
UB: Aly, Laurie, Simone, Madison
BB: Gabby, Laurie, Aly, Simone
FX: Gabby, Laurie, Aly, Simone

Team Finals:
VT: Gabby, Aly, and Simone
UB: Laurie, Gabby, and Madison
BB: Laurie, Aly, and Simone
FX: Laurie, Aly, and Simone

I agree with you that Gabby will probably do bars in quals, but there's a potential scenario with Laurie doing AA. I think her and Gabby have about the same chance of qualifying into bar finals

 

[njallday]

Agreed. Aly certainly won't do bars in team finals, but she will have to in qualifications to be given a shot at AA, just like she did in 2012. Bars is one of the main reasons Gabby is being brought to Rio, you can't leave her off in quals, especially since she has a chance at making bars finals (but might need some help along the way). Simone is a lock for AA, obviously, so she will be on bars in quals, and Madison....duh.

Given all of that, I don't see room for Laurie on bars that round and therefore no AA shot. I'm curious how people who think she will do AA would put up on bars in quals. I guess you would have to pull Aly out of all around.

For bars, obviously no denying Madison with the potential 15.9, Gabby's been averaging 15.2-15.4, Simone and Laurie (on good days) are 14.9-15.2, and then there's Aly averaging around 14.5. That makes me want to pull Aly, but I agree that not allowing her a shot at redemption after losing that bronze AA on a technicality is cruel because she has to potential to podium AA again.

I don't have a solution, but Laurie's bars are so much better than Aly's. That makes taking her out of UB/AA even more painful. In a perfect world, Gabby's amanar will be back by the end of camp (because she clearly had enough height and power to do it, she just didn't train correctly leading up to trials), and she can vault and let's throw her on floor for quals and she can UB in team finals.

 

[SparkleSpankies]

For bars, obviously no denying Madison with the potential 15.9, Gabby's been averaging 15.2-15.4, Simone and Laurie (on good days) are 14.9-15.2, and then there's Aly averaging around 14.5. That makes me want to pull Aly, but I agree that not allowing her a shot at redemption after losing that bronze AA on a technicality is cruel because she has to potential to podium AA again.

I don't have a solution, but Laurie's bars are so much better than Aly's. That makes taking her out of UB/AA even more painful. In a perfect world, Gabby's amanar will be back by the end of camp (because she clearly had enough height and power to do it, she just didn't train correctly leading up to trials), and she can vault and let's throw her on floor for quals and she can UB in team finals.

The US should be pretty secure qualifiers, Aly's 14.5 should not make much of a difference considering they likely will drop that score with the 5-4-3 in qualifying. Even if that has to count, it should not hurt too much considering she wouldn't be used in team finals.

 

[ErinS]

I'm team pull Aly from AA qualifying and put Laurie in.

Aly will probably get a floor, beam or vault medal.

They should do a live stream of the Ranch


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[SL&AM]

For those who want Laurie in AA, how would you set up your bars in qualifications? I would love to see Laurie get an AA shot too, but I just can't see how it would work out given the bars situation. (Which is why I think the third AA will be Gabby)

At this point, Gabby could sit out of everything and I'd be okay with that---her bars don't outweight Laurie's real shot at medaling AA. I don't think Gabby has a shot of outscoring Aly for AA; but I do think Laurie could and should have that option.

 

[UCFKnights07]

I'm team pull Aly from AA qualifying and put Laurie in.

Aly will probably get a floor, beam or vault medal.

They should do a live stream of the Ranch


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i dont even think it'll be between laurie and aly, i think it'll be more aly vs gabby on who gets to compete on all four.

 

[UCFKnights07]

i would call it this way..

VT: Laurie, Gabby, Aly, Simone
UB: Gabby, Laurie, Simone, Madison
BB: Gabby, Laurie, Aly, Simone
FX: Gabby, Laurie, Aly, Simone

team finals:

VT: Simone, Aly, Laurie
UB: Gabby, Madison, Laurie
BB: Laurie, Simone, Aly
FX: Laurie, Aly, Simone


personally i think aly is a stronger gymnast at this point over gabby considering how things have been going, but i feel like part of marta's reasoning as to choosing her was to compete on bars in the first place.

 

[Ashley]

If anybody missed it, Maggie Nichols officially retired from elite after Trials. So depressing but I just know she's going to kill it in NCAA at Oklahoma. I'm assuming Brenna will head back to Oklahoma too. They are stacked. Kyla will be at UCLA, where Jordyn Weiber is now a senior and volunteer coach.

I'm curious if anyone else on the National Team will "retire" and head to college. Alyssa Baumann and Rachel Gowey have committed to Florida and MyKayla Skinner to Utah. I believe I read that Ashton Locklear intends to continue training elite.

How do you do elite + college? Don't all these girls committing to colleges have to retire from elite?

 

[UCFKnights07]

How do you do elite + college? Don't all these girls committing to colleges have to retire from elite?

I think it depends on if you go pro and accept money. Sam peszek did elite and went on to ucla

 

[cheerKT]

How do you do elite + college? Don't all these girls committing to colleges have to retire from elite?

Training elite doesn't make you ineligible for college athletics, it's making the sponsorship money that does. Pretty much everyone commits to a college and then makes the decision to go pro and forgo the scholarship if they want. Like Simone is committed to UCLA in 2014, but turned pro in 2015.

It's really, really hard, but not impossible to train elite and compete NCAA. Brittany Rogers competed all four years for UGA while continuing to train and represent Canada. Brenna did one year at Oklahoma, differed a year to train Elite again and try for Rio, and I'm assuming will go back this fall. Jordyn Weiber went pro, so she couldn't compete for UCLA. She continued to train elite for her first year or so there to make a comeback but then retired.

So in short, it's possible but rare.

 

[Ashley]

Training elite doesn't make you ineligible for college athletics, it's making the sponsorship money that does. Pretty much everyone commits to a college and then makes the decision to go pro and forgo the scholarship if they want. Like Simone is committed to UCLA in 2014, but turned pro in 2015.

It's really, really hard, but not impossible to train elite and compete NCAA. Brittany Rogers competed all four years for UGA while continuing to train and represent Canada. Brenna did one year at Oklahoma, differed a year to train Elite again and try for Rio, and I'm assuming will go back this fall. Jordyn Weiber went pro, so she couldn't compete for UCLA. She continued to train elite for her first year or so there to make a comeback but then retired.

So in short, it's possible but rare.

I knew it didn't make you ineligible, I just wasn't sure how you could possibly to both at the same time.

 

[Jennie]

Do the US/Any country tend to announce the athletes that will be competing on each event in quals before the Olympics start / before the gymnastics competitions start can I ask? Are start lists released? Or do you normally just watch the tv or stream and find out then on the day?

Unsure of how its normally done!

 

[Ciara martin]

Is The Ranch owned entirely by the Karolyi's? And if so do people think that USA Gymnastics will buy out the facility once Marta retires following Rio and continue with the current semi-centralised system being used or will USA Gymnastics switch to a different selection format for the next quad leading to 2020?


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[njallday]

Danusia Francis from UCLA (the one whose floor routine went viral this season) competes elite for Team Jamaica and she competed for Great Britain in the past. Definitely possible, but much more common in other countries that aren't as cutthroat as US gymnastics.

 

[AScheer]

I feel like someone on tv (Nastia maybe?) said that the US is the reason that it went from 7 gymnasts to 5. Anyone know the history there? What's the reason for the change again to 4 plus 2 specialists?