Batc @ National Harbor

[#1CheerMom]

Is anyone surprised over some of the results from this weekends competition at BATC?

 

[ntlgnt1]

EXTREMELY ! I'm still trying to figure out how a lvl 1 youth team(91.49) can out score lvl 3,4, & 5 teams???

 

[#1CheerMom]

EXTREMELY ! I'm still trying to figure out how a lvl 1 youth team(91.49) can out score lvl 3,4, & 5 teams???

Well Im glad Im not the only one surprised!! Some of the scores I saw for some of the teams and levels really shocked me!!!!

 

[ntlgnt1]

Someone stated that the scores showing are probably what percentage of the points each team scored in thier level. I just looked at the score sheet and the maximum points a lvl 1 team can get is 184.5 points. Lvl 5 can get a maximum score of 240 points. 90% of 184.5 and 240 is 2 totally different points. 90% of Lvl 1 would be 166.05 points and lvl 5 would be 216. They need to do it correctly otherwise what they have makes absolutely no sense!

 

[juscheerthatisall]

The score is a percentage of the total allowed at your level. So really lvl 1 90=167 and lvl 5 90=218. They r not really outscoring them. It makes sense, they are basically analyzing how well u do what u r allowed to do, instead of saying lvl 5's automatically win highest score bcuz they have the highest scoring bracket

 

[juscheerthatisall]

Lol we were posting at the same time. But yes the score shown is the %

 

[juscheerthatisall]

I think this cost a lot of teams championships this weekend. A lot of coaches were thinking their deductions came out of that score on day 1. So if team A was in first with 91 and team B was in 3rd with 88 and 3 pts deduction they assumed they would have tied first with no deduction. When in actuality it may have only move their % up 1 pt or less. Really confusing I know, I think using % on the ranking sheet made zero sense, and was really not helpful to anyone.

 

[ntlgnt1]

The score is a percentage of the total allowed at your level. So really lvl 1 90=167 and lvl 5 90=218. They r not really outscoring them. It makes sense, they are basically analyzing how well u do what u r allowed to do, instead of saying lvl 5's automatically win highest score bcuz they have the highest scoring bracket

I undertand what they are trying to accomplish, but I hope the coaches or someone is explaining to the various levels that you actually did not outscore a level 5 team! It looks crazy, lol

 

[Kelligyrl]

Thanks for explaining. I was totally confused.

 

[juscheerthatisall]

I undertand what they are trying to accomplish, but I hope the coaches or someone is explaining to the various levels that you actually did not outscore a level 5 team! It looks crazy, lol

They still get the same pts for technique & execution, quantity, overall impression, formation, spacing, transitions, jumps, motion dance....thats 150 pts. So even if a lvl 1 maxed out their 34.5 score for stunt and tumble a lvl 5 team should outscore them in everything else..doesnt always happen

 

[MissBee]

This percentage thing sounds like you're saying that a 3rd grader scoring a 95% on their math test is better at math than a 9th grader who scores a 90% on their math test. Is that a good comparison?

 

[#1CheerMom]

They still get the same pts for technique & execution, quantity, overall impression, formation, spacing, transitions, jumps, motion dance....thats 150 pts. So even if a lvl 1 maxed out their 34.5 score for stunt and tumble a lvl 5 team should outscore them in everything else..doesnt always happen

I got you!..That is probably why I was so surprised over a lot of the scores this weekend!....this is my cp's 2nd year in allstars..she is on youth 2 and junior 2 (8years old) tumbles level 3...even though i keep up with all the levels in all different gym's..i was very very surprised at some of the scores....

 

[juscheerthatisall]

This percentage thing sounds like you're saying that a 3rd grader scoring a 95% on their math test is better at math than a 9th grader who scores a 90% on their math test. Is that a good comparison?

Better based on her expected skill lvl. Would u celebrate ur 9th graders C more than ur 3rd graders A, because "the work is harder"?

 

[CoachMandiCF]

With the JamBrands (US Finals) Scoresheets, it is pretty confusing unless you do the math yourself too. For instance, most people would look at their team having an 88 with 3 points in deductions and 1st place had 90 so they think "oh I won without deductions." Nope...if you add those 3 points in to your raw score and do the percentage, it usually only bumps you up a small amount, but not the full 3 points. Being a coach I like both ways.

I would rather see a scoresheet that gives me total score with deductions so that I can see where you truly stand instead of having to do the math to figure it out.

 

[juscheerthatisall]

With the JamBrands (US Finals) Scoresheets, it is pretty confusing unless you do the math yourself too. For instance, most people would look at their team having an 88 with 3 points in deductions and 1st place had 90 so they think "oh I won without deductions." Nope...if you add those 3 points in to your raw score and do the percentage, it usually only bumps you up a small amount, but not the full 3 points. Being a coach I like both ways.

I would rather see a scoresheet that gives me total score with deductions so that I can see where you truly stand instead of having to do the math to figure it out.

Exactly! I said this in another topic but I think that concept screwed a lot of teams this weekend, coastal should have explained this as this % thing is a new concept. I already knew it was percentage but it never registered that the deductions didn't add to that num until after I saw day 2 scores. And in talking to several coaches after day 1, I think this was a pretty widespread misconception. The reason I said it screwed a lot of ppl is bcuz they were thinking they were in a better position and therefore not implementing plan b, or making adjustments.