All-Star Does Everyone Make A Team Who Tries Out?

[Pip22]

They cannot pay doctors enough to make it attractive to go into a specialty so there is a shortage if specialists. There also aren't enough GPs to support the load. That's one of the major issues with this type of system and why u wouldn't want it.


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That's massively true. However, I had serious juvenile health issues that were dealt with impeccably by my local NHS trust (which is highly criticised anyway) and based on conversation relatives in the States had with my parents at the time, if the NHS privatised their insurance probably wouldn't have afforded the quality care I got. I really owe my life to the service and I hope it stays at least partly public.

 

[Helen uk uni cheer]

That's massively true. However, I had serious juvenile health issues that were dealt with impeccably by my local NHS trust (which is highly criticised anyway) and based on conversation relatives in the States had with my parents at the time, if the NHS privatised their insurance probably wouldn't have afforded the quality care I got. I really owe my life to the service and I hope it stays at least partly public.

I have had massive issues with the NHS but they have helped in some ways but its times like this when I wish I was on private insurance and I really want to get my back sorted so I can cheer but also so I can be a paramedic

 

[Helen uk uni cheer]

It does suck. This is another problem with a socialized medical system. Pencil pushers making health decisions, because obviously nothing could have changed with your back in 2 years, right? Idiots!

The thing is my actual doctor is great but her hands are tied especially when she has requested to see me and the receptionist refuses to book an appointment even though I have a letter!!

The only good thing is due to a delyaed move I am going to live with my parents down south for a month and hopefully watch some cheer with my old team and the coach is a chiropractor so I am going to hopefully get some advice

 

[gofriars610]

The whole MRI-rationing in the UK boggles my mind. A good friend of mine lives in Leeds and he's got permanent ankle damage because he didn't have an MRI on it until nearly six months after it started hurting because of "cost." Plus this story: This Story Of A Bride Who Was Too Young For A Smear Test And Died Of Cancer Is Utterly Heartbreaking which was just so so needlessly tragic.

 

[123jump4!]

There's some pretty tragic stories from here in the US too... Like people who have got seriously sick or hurt and face bankruptcy because of it... even with insurance in some cases. Insurance doesn't cover everything and there are copays and the premiums can be a lot in the first place, especially if you don't have insurance through your work. Plus the doctors aren't always that great just because they get paid more.

I think there is good and bad about both systems. But if I could choose I would pick the NHS anytime!

 

[Helen uk uni cheer]

The whole MRI-rationing in the UK boggles my mind. A good friend of mine lives in Leeds and he's got permanent ankle damage because he didn't have an MRI on it until nearly six months after it started hurting because of "cost." Plus this story: This Story Of A Bride Who Was Too Young For A Smear Test And Died Of Cancer Is Utterly Heartbreaking which was just so so needlessly tragic.

Still havent had an MRI of my ankle and have issues after a year and still have swelling I just brace it and hope for the best.

I like the fact we have free healthcare but I live in wales and for a 2 hour radius there are 2 ambulances it took 40 mins for them to get to a catagory red 1 when they should be there in 8 thank goodness my friend is experianced st johns ambulance member and knew what to do

 

[SL&AM]

There's some pretty tragic stories from here in the US too... Like people who have got seriously sick or hurt and face bankruptcy because of it... even with insurance in some cases. Insurance doesn't cover everything and there are copays and the premiums can be a lot in the first place, especially if you don't have insurance through your work. Plus the doctors aren't always that great just because they get paid more.

I think there is good and bad about both systems. But if I could choose I would pick the NHS anytime!

Let's not forget we sent a man home with Ebola with some antibiotics and Motrin because he lacked health insurance. No system is perfect, but after living in Germany for a few years and utilizing their hospital more often than our American one---I'd rather have their system.

 

[blyndreamalum]

There's some pretty tragic stories from here in the US too... Like people who have got seriously sick or hurt and face bankruptcy because of it... even with insurance in some cases. Insurance doesn't cover everything and there are copays and the premiums can be a lot in the first place, especially if you don't have insurance through your work. Plus the doctors aren't always that great just because they get paid more.

I think there is good and bad about both systems. But if I could choose I would pick the NHS anytime!

I work in a pediatric hospital, and those poor parents of NICU babies get slammed with insane bills because their stays are often so long.

 

[123jump4!]

I work in a pediatric hospital, and those poor parents of NICU babies get slammed with insane bills because their stays are often so long.

Just what they need... when they are already worried about their baby. Not nice.

 

[cheer25mom]

There's some pretty tragic stories from here in the US too... Like people who have got seriously sick or hurt and face bankruptcy because of it... even with insurance in some cases. Insurance doesn't cover everything and there are copays and the premiums can be a lot in the first place, especially if you don't have insurance through your work. Plus the doctors aren't always that great just because they get paid more.

I think there is good and bad about both systems. But if I could choose I would pick the NHS anytime!

But at least they get the care. People like the above story die waiting for appointments is socialized systems.m

 

[123jump4!]

But at least they get the care. People like the above story die waiting for appointments is socialized systems.m

I did a quick google on the words medical insurance refused treatment died and I found lots of stuff. Both about insured and uninsured people. Apparently 45,000 americans die every year because they can't afford medical insurance.

This link is about a young girl who died despite having medical insurance but the insurance company refused the tratement she needed:

Family sues insurer who denied teen transplant - Health - Health care | NBC News

Here's one about a man with cancer and his insurance co denying treatment:

Sonoma County Man Battling Cancer Denied Coverage By Anthem Blue Cross After Paying $100K In Premiums « CBS San Francisco

This report about insurance companies' tricks is pretty epic but it's a PDF so might take a while to open...

https://www.justice.org/sites/default/files/file-uploads/InsuranceTactics.pdf

Yeah, I guess I feel strongly about this. We chose to move to the US from Europe but this health insurance stuff scares me a lot! And to someone who is used to healthcare being free and available for all (and in our case great), then this system here seems scary and backwards. But as I said in a previous post there is good and bad about both systems.

 

[HeatUniqueJ]

Let's not forget we sent a man home with Ebola with some antibiotics and Motrin because he lacked health insurance. No system is perfect, but after living in Germany for a few years and utilizing their hospital more often than our American one---I'd rather have their system.

and yet we keep on complaining about our hospitals here.
It's not hard at all to get an MRI here, you just go see the doctor, he gives you a note, you call the MRI place and they schedule an appointment with you within the next week. Of course you only get an MRI when it's necessary because it is expensive but i never had any problems getting one. I remember sitting in the hospital in the UK two times while i was living there, each for about 4 hours just to see someone. One time the doctor just looked at my foot and told me it was nothing (while my ligaments were torn) and the other time i had a very high fever and was almost not able to sit up properly, yet they had me wait for about 4 hours
Considering this and hearing how hard it is in other countries to get good treatment really makes me appreciate our health care system a whole lot more.

 

[EnglishRose]

But at least they get the care. People like the above story die waiting for appointments is socialized systems.m

But we in Britain CAN choose to pay. I had a serious wrist injury which was dealt with from start to finish, including multiple MRI scans, x-rays, specialists and surgeries on the NHS.
I paid nothing. If I'd been in the US I would not have been able to afford the top quality care I had.

A few years back I had a weird but not life altering dermatology issue. The NHS was moving slowly and I was sad about how unsightly my skin was getting, but it was not life threatening. I paid one off per private appointment, I think it was £100 or so a session. This is totally doable in the UK even if you don't have private health insurance. From friends, I think an MRI is about £150-£200 so if you're desperate to get an answer you can pay for that, then take it back to your (free) NHS doctor.

The problem with the finite nature of the NHS is that if you have a niggly, annoying problem, you're a low priority. The money will (rightly in my opinion) be used first for life threatening things, long term chronic illnesses, etc. If you are unlucky enough to get cancer, have diabetes, heart problems, get in a serious accident, break a bone, have a premature or sick baby, you will get top quality care without any fear of bills BECAUSE you're lucky enough to have the NHS.

 

[CEAShelby]

Haven't read this whole topic but just to give you some extra insight to the NHS, as grateful as we Brits are to have it, because it's free we don't receive the best care. Hospitals here are usually very busy and are usually short on staff and rushed off their feet! If you have a cheer injury that needs seeing to straight away in A&E I can almost guarantee that if you got there at 9pm, you probably won't be seen until 3/4am (unless it's life threatening)

When I was in the U.S. and I had a skiing accident (not fatal) I was taken to a near by hospital, that was clean and efficient I was seen and treated to within two hours! (Thank god I had insurance!!!)

What i'm saying is, just because it's free doesn't mean it's better. The Staff in the US were friendly and quick! (Partly because it's being paid for and maybe because the U.S. Is big on suing but still it just seems Britain no longer cares about the duty of care they are given, the staff aren't paid enough to care)

 

[gofriars610]

Let's not forget we sent a man home with Ebola with some antibiotics and Motrin because he lacked health insurance.

It actually didn't happen like that--there were a series of breakdowns in hospital communication and as he was only exhibiting a fever, aches, and chills (the symptoms of roughly a thousand illnesses that aren't ebola) he was sent home with motrin. The investigation regarding why the "oh hey, I'm from Liberia!" thing didn't set off alarm bells is still ongoing. Emergency rooms in the United States that accept Medicare (which Dallas Presbyterian does) cannot legally deny someone care due to their ability to pay (or legal status or citizenship)--they must treat everyone. For what it's worth, that same man lacking insurance also received care that cost well over $1,000 per hour and will probably be written off as charity care that his family will never see a bill for.

[This is not a personal attack on you--I cover healthcare-related stories for my job. I actually like the German hybrid public-private healthcare system.]