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Discussion in 'Allstar Cheerleading' started by Kiermyc, Mar 9, 2019.

  1. omgitssydthekid

    omgitssydthekid Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I’m a huge fan of this. The full year teams at the gym I used to coach for (haven’t coached in 2 seasons now) wore a full face of makeup, even the little bitty minis. I didn’t get a say in that rule. However, when I coached prep and we only had one prep team, I got to make the decisions. They wore blush, eye liner (optional), mascara, and lipstick. Hair in a high ponytail. The parents were all brand new to cheer and so thankful. The full face of makeup and wild looking hair is too much and really overwhelming to new parents. I think natural is perfect. Stingrays does a GREAT job of this. Very athletic and professional looking.


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  2. california cheer mom

    california cheer mom Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    So is this the end of crops for all senior teams? Or could non-worlds senior teams keep crops? When we first started in tiny cheer my daughter wore a crop. Things have certainly changed!
     
  3. Ems

    Ems I have my own cheer message board

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    So IASF Worlds is different from the USASF Worlds and the ICU Worlds? Why are there so many Worlds now?!?! When are they all happening?!?!

    So my understanding for all of this:
    IASF Worlds is like USASF Worlds but for the new divisions that arose this season that split the international open teams into either Open and International Open? Plus the non tumbling divisions? And it sounds the 2021 full top rule is only going to apply to these teams?
    USASF Worlds is still “the main Worlds,” so to say, and at this moment the incoming rule does not apply to them.
    ICU Worlds is the wannabe yearly Olympics of cheer where countries compete and is its own beast separate of IASF and USASF?

    Geez.


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  4. Ems

    Ems I have my own cheer message board

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    Quick sidetrack from the original thread topic... Sorry. BUT, I was not a fan of that rule to begin with and I side-eye it even more because these baskets are still allowed in STUNT which is all girl. So you have teams that compete UCA or NCA (CBU, OK State, Davenport, Sac State, Alma, etc.) who are still doing these baskets for STUNT. So I guess the rule is in place to separate sideline/comp cheer from STUNT but the male vs female aspect is garbage because they’re still expecting the same female athletes to do the tosses that are banned at traditional comps, just in a different setting.




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  5. luv2cheer92

    luv2cheer92 Moderator Staff Member Bracket Winner Video Curator

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    IASF and USASF Worlds have been separate for a while, they just happen at the same time.

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  6. Sterling von Shimmer

    Sterling von Shimmer I make my own voiceovers

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    It’s so gross. And every male ex-college cheerleader I’ve discussed this rule with says the same thing: “It’s stupid. The girls always threw better (read: safer) baskets because they’d trained their whole lives for it. The guys were usually just barrel-chested first-timers who could toss and catch, but didn’t really know what the hell they were doing beyond that until they were taught at their first cheer practice. In college.”

    And if “safety” is the concern, that’s a problem.
     
  7. OldskoolKYcheercoach

    OldskoolKYcheercoach I think I can mix Cheer Music

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    STUNT is following the same rules as UCA/NCA. It’s twisting AND flipping tosses that require males. Ex: tuck X out - legal; Tuck X twist - illegal.
     
  8. Ems

    Ems I have my own cheer message board

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    I’m very certain there are STUNT routines with fulls in them.

    I never realized that. Huh. How are they going to fit all these new divisions in the same time period??
    But to actually talk about uniforms now that my worlds are no longer mixed up, I’m not sure how I feel about it. I understand wanting to make the sport look more athletic since it’s trying to gain Olympic status, but I think a rule trying to stop some of the crazy looking uniforms might be more effective. I mean OO5 is competing in suspenders and backpacks and I’m pretty sure a full top rule will not result in TG wearing a clean, athletic uniform the rule is probably hoping for.


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  9. luv2cheer92

    luv2cheer92 Moderator Staff Member Bracket Winner Video Curator

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    There doesn't seem to be a significantly larger number of teams compared to previous years, teams did more of a shift to different divisions. But they can always split the Arena like they do for all the other comps there if they need to.

    I'm also wondering if USASF will follow and require full tops as well. If not, teams like OO5 could switch to the USASF division and continue wearing crops. Which I believe over the next few years we will start seeing more Int'l 5 teams switch over anyway.

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  10. catlady

    catlady Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Solely based on studies, it looks like biomechanics and hormones are not on our side. It's not just about the height needed for those baskets, it is more about the incredible force they come down with. Weight, force, and the way that energy is absorbed play a huge role in why females have a 2-10 greater chance (depending on sport) of acl injury. Fun fact: Just walking puts 3x your body weight on your knees, and just 10 pounds of excess body weight increases the force on the knee by 30 to 60 pounds with every single step. Now think about the height those baskets require and the force of impact coming down. Sometimes you can't fight science.
    ACL Tears Are More Common in Women and Girls
    Why Are Women at Greater Risk for ACL Injuries?
    The Risk of ACL Injuries in Female Athletes | Beacon Orthopaedics & Sports Medicine
     
  11. Sterling von Shimmer

    Sterling von Shimmer I make my own voiceovers

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    So make them illegal for everyone.
     
  12. Sterling von Shimmer

    Sterling von Shimmer I make my own voiceovers

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    ETA: if ACL injuries (for women) are the issue, then take out tumbling. Hell, if we’re so prone to injury, how can they responsibly let us do anything at all? That’s the slippery slope this logic leads us to.
     
  13. OldskoolKYcheercoach

    OldskoolKYcheercoach I think I can mix Cheer Music

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    This statement is more dramatic than all the teenage girls I’ve coached in my whole career combined.
     
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  14. Sterling von Shimmer

    Sterling von Shimmer I make my own voiceovers

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    Good.
     
  15. kristenthegreat

    kristenthegreat Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    ...wait. When? Did I miss something (totes possible) or did I just not understand the full separation? I have ZERO clue about any rule/division/cheer changes because I've been out for so long...wasn't sure if I just didn't acknowledge it.