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Discussion in 'Random' started by Ashley, Mar 3, 2017.

  1. UCFKnights07

    UCFKnights07 Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    It doesnt truly affect me cause im blocked. But I do find a grown adult being as petty as he is kinda ridiculous. I dont agree with either side being petty but they also in a way coach these kids and spend countless hours in the gym, so i can see why they would be upset about inaccurate info, etc. being spread.
    To me CU is an online/Twitter account and not much more. For as harsh as he is to athletes and coaches I guess i dont see how he is given so much access at comps.
    Be mean to anons all you want, but calling out programs and going back and forth with coaching staff, I cant agree with.
    Sports commentators mess up all the time. It happens. The difference is the professional ones correct their inaccuracies, CU just ignores and continues on like its no big deal.
    I just found it entertaining for an hour last night reading through some of it thats all.

     
  2. luv2cheer92

    luv2cheer92 Moderator Staff Member Bracket Winner Video Curator

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    I know it's not really the point, but his info was not inaccurate in regards to that specific tweet. They had bobbles, but those are not deductions, therefore wouldn't be on a deduction sheet, which a coach should know. But I agree, other times where he is not accurate and gets corrected, he doesn't handle it well.
     
  3. NJ Coach

    NJ Coach 10's Across the Board....literally. Staff Member National Champion

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    My problem with the Orby tweet is exactly what @luv2cheer92 said. CU wasn't wrong. It wasn't a deduction cause Varsity stopped deducting for bobbles, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. There was also another tweet this weekend from the Smoed family that said something about him playing favorites. I have 2 issues with this. 1...Smoed didn't have an issue when they were the perceived favorite. 2...CU is a team of people. Yes, everyone knows DJ, but CU coverage at events is a team of people. It's never just him. Guess what, I've CU'd competitions. It's NOT easy. You make mistakes. You try and err on the side of caution and give the benefit of the doubt to the team. Rule of thumb has always been, if they would call it at worlds, it gets listed.
    Is DJ the person a fan of certain organizations/teams, of course, he's human. However, in the coverage of any particular event, I don't see a bias. The tweet is the mistakes in the routine, or the lack of.
     
  4. Ally13

    Ally13 Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Can anybody tell me the team that had Primadonna by Marina right before baskets in their mix? I know this very vague, but I’ve had this stuck in my head and I swear it’s a cheer mix. I could also just be going crazy

    EDIT: It’s TG Lady Jags 12-13
     
  5. UCFKnights07

    UCFKnights07 Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I'm curious to know peoples opinions as i have been out of the sport since 2008. Whats your opinion on teams releasing or refusing to release athletes? As being the paying customer, should gyms really have that much control over why or when an athlete decides to quit or leave mid season or anytime during the season?
     
  6. RobinSparkles

    RobinSparkles Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    If a team can't have more than the number of athletes they had when their bid was received, and the athlete wanting the release remaining on the team would put them over, I don't see why they would be refused a release. (Unless it's for unpaid bills/fees, or if the athlete starting practicing with their 'new' team before quitting their former team.)
    There really should be a committee or something like that where refused releases can be reviewed.
     
  7. lexikae

    lexikae I make my own voiceovers

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    I feel that gyms should not have an issue with releasing athletes, especially if that athlete is unhappy or miserable at the current gym. I mean shouldn't coaches want what's best for their athletes? Even if foes mean leaving a gym.

    I was wanting to post about this earlier but I didn't really know how to go about it or word it.
     
  8. quitthedrama

    quitthedrama I buy my Insta followers

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    I have always despised the release rule. It's one way - coaches can kick a kid off a team even after 100% of the season is paid for, coaches can leave gyms mid season, gym owners can pull teams from competitions with no refunds. Years ago there was an athlete on a level 5 team that hadn't yet competed and her coach asked her to fill in on a level 4 team at a competition, and then a week later the gym owner scrapped the level 5 team and wouldn't release the athlete. That was malicious on the gym owner's part and no athlete should be held hostage to a gym when they have been removed from a team.
    The particular situation that has played out on social media is a bit different, but at the end of the day the team won NCA and clearly doesn't need the athlete, and the gym has removed several athletes from teams mid season for the sole reason of replacing them with "better" athletes, so I can see why this particular athlete was concerned once her role changed. The post from the coach was petty and did nothing to defend the gym's position IMO.
    These kids aren't professionals, they aren't on scholarships - they are paying customers. There are very few situations where a kid just up and quits for no reason. Let them be.
     
  9. lexikae

    lexikae I make my own voiceovers

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    The coaches at the particular gym also need to release if the person that competed with the other team is doing way less then they were with the original team, is it really about cheer or is it something more? Also someone else just started a thread about this in the allstar cheer section.
     
  10. Keep_Believing

    Keep_Believing Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I am not commenting on this specific situation, but think the wording of the release is interesting. Most people don't realize you need a release regardless of the level you competed at. You even need a release if you exhibitioned.

    "USASF CHEER PROGRAM RELEASE WAIVER 2019 All athletes participating on a team at The 2019 Cheerleading Worlds must be a registered member of that team’s program during the 2018-2019 competition season. Any athlete that has exhibitioned or competed on the floor with a team in any level from a program (Primary Program) during The Cheerleading Worlds competition season (November 1, 2018 – May 1, 2019) will have to have a USASF Program Release Waiver signed by the owner of the Primary Program before that athlete is eligible to compete with another program (Secondary Program) at The 2019 Cheerleading Worlds."


    https://higherlogicdownload.s3.amaz...USASF_Worlds_Cheer_Program-Release-Waiver.pdf
     
  11. oncecoolcoachnowmom

    oncecoolcoachnowmom Bestest Newbie '14

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    Not sure of the exact situation but I have seen this discussion on the boards about gyms pulling and replacing kids at will.

    I am all about kids fulfilling their season if possible.

    However, you can't (example) pull Suzie from the air in all stunts, make her a tumbling nugget, and expect her to want to stay (and also not allow her to go elsewhere.)
     
  12. CLynn

    CLynn I Fierce Board instead of work/study

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    Expect her to want to stay no? Not allow her to go elsewhere for the rest of the year? That is pretty much what we sign up for when we commit to a program, like it or not. Now I don't know why they would want that athlete hanging around, but you never know.
     
  13. quitthedrama

    quitthedrama I buy my Insta followers

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    I would be ok with this if the program committed to the athlete, but that is happening less and less these days.
     
  14. oncecoolcoachnowmom

    oncecoolcoachnowmom Bestest Newbie '14

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    I don't have equivalent experiences because in school cheer world, kids can't really quit schools, immediately go to another, and cheer there midseason.

    But I have had to make some really tough decisions to pull kids from different spots in the past.

    Reactions varied but I always tried to make sure that kids knew it was coming. In most cases, it was a long time coming and the kid/parent were made aware in advance and in a way that didn't hurt their feelings. Also making sure that they were win/win situations because moving a kid suddenly to something they are not prepared for is going to be a lose/lose for both parties.

    Changes made and how they're handled reflect on you and your organization far more than they reflect on kids - who are kids. We expect drama from kids. Not adults.

    You should never handle a change in such a way that you have to take to social media and defend yourself.
     
  15. Charolais

    Charolais I nugget in the back

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    I disagree. There is a waiver process to permit an athlete to go to a different program. Granting the waiver is at the gym’s discretion. Unfortunately, the way this situation is playing out on social media casts the program in a negative light. The gym owner should step up and quash this beef.