All-Star Should Usasf Limit Bids/people?

[5-6-7-8]

WHY are these people in charge? I'm not asking you, it's just a rhetorical question in general. It's seriously worse than Louisiana politics. And that's saying a lot.

I think one shimmy just isn't enough for this. This has been the (my) theme of the year.

 

[MomOf2ThatsMe]

Parents are what keeps this sport going - so like has been said above, if you want change you have to demand it. They're not going to come on fierceboard and say "WHAT!?! IT WAS CROWDED?? And the parents who couldn't get in were mad? You don't say... " It's going to take more action than this.

Does anyone know ( ACEDAD maybe you?) if this is something they are even working on? Seems like it comes up every year, everyone gets all in an uproar, usasf says nothing, and the next year its the same. And despite how often it gets brought up, the venue stays the same, the contracts get renewed, and nothing is fixed. If the venue can't be changed (which I refuse to believe but that's a whole separate issue) then are they even working on something for crowd control and getting the parents in? Like I said, this is brought up every year, so it's not like they just found out yesterday.

Uuuggghh. This makes me more mad every year than any results.

Penn & Teller should do a Part 2 on Varsity

This would be seriously bad PR for the sport. Can you envision the jilted-cheerleader-turned-reporter expose on this subject? Geesh!

GET WITH IT USASF. Really. We aren't stupid, and parents are getting highly fed up with being strung along.

 

[Hi! It's me!]

Time for usasf to hire an event planner whose job is nothing but planning the logistics of worlds. Hotel/ worlds packages and how to get people in and around needs to be handed over to the professionals.

 

[CrownedtheGR8est]

I vote for somewhere else in Disney. I don't really want to give up the All Star Resorts. I know they're crap, but definitely convenient and fun.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

Time for usasf to hire an event planner whose job is nothing but planning the logistics of worlds. Hotel/ worlds packages and how to get people in and around needs to be handed over to the professionals.

Conveniently I am unemployed and available right now and have OODLES of experience in this...

 

[cupieqt]

Conveniently I am unemployed and available right now and have OODLES of experience in this...

Girl if we could vote you in for this I'd be campaigning like a mother.

 

[mollymags]

Limiting bids would help some, but what happened with large senior could have been prevented without even changing venues. Instead of trying to make everyone happy they should have had two bigger divisions go at the same time. Have Large Senior go at the same time Small Senior is going. Sure people will get angry and that they can't be both places at once, but it will balance out the number of people at both venues.

I said the same thing last year, and I think a few other people did as well. This would make a HUGE difference. Would it suck for spectators to have to choose? Yes... but at least they'd be allowed into whichever venue they chose rather than being stuck outside.

 

[ztaprincess]

I said the same thing last year, and I think a few other people did as well. This would make a HUGE difference. Would it suck for spectators to have to choose? Yes... but at least they'd be allowed into whichever venue they chose rather than being stuck outside.

That is the thing, everyone wants to be happy and able to watch all the teams. I understand wanting that, but when you have somewhere like Disney where there are 2 venues, which could hold all the spectators things have to be scheduled correctly. The USASF doesn't want to upset people so they are trying to give people what they want. If they would just worry about making sure both venues can run smoothly things would work so much better. Every division isn't going to be able to be in the Milkhouse, that is what it is and time wouldn't even allow that. Even if we moved to a bigger venue, the fact still stands that the same stage cannot be used for every division with that amount of teams unless you want little to no breaks and to go from sun up to late at night. Schedule Large Senior at the same time as Large Coed or Small Senior and both venues will have plenty of spectators.
On Saturday when all of the big divisions were having semi finals in both venues things seemed to move pretty smoothly and both venues had people watching teams.

 

[SmileCat]

My friend & I woke up at 3:30AM to drive 1 1/2 hours to WWOS to have the BEST day ever. We arrived around 6:30 to avoid being stuck outside & having amazing seats Right when the doors opened people were being TRAMPLED! That is just insane! Really guys.. it's a competition. But once we got to our seats two dads, from a large gym, grabbed about 10 seats and covered them with blankets, bags, ect. I'm fine with saving a seat for someone, but to have 8 opened seats (that remained open until large sr awards went on) is a bit extreme.. then the same group of people began to ask my friend & I to give up OUR seats that we had been sitting in for 3 hours for a mom & her daughter! I understood that if the mom had a daughter to watch that day but, this mother was just a spectator! If they wanted seats, they should of woke up early and got to the overcrowded venue BEFORE it got overcrowded. I did NOT spend months trying to save up for this trip to be asked to give up my seat to another spectator because "they flew from another state and are big fans of one team" SO WHAT!
Other than that I had a GREAT time and met plenty of people & traded with so many people & crossed about 5 things off my bucket list!
But yes, we definitely need to email, call, mail, everything to get USASF attention. I felt everything got better once they moved awards, but hello! This is FL! I was sweating with just being outside for 10 minutes! & it definitely gets rid of the "moment" I believe... There's nothing you can do about all the fans and people just being spectators. It's going to happen with such a popular sport like cheerleading. You can't ask people who put in just as much money to come watch worlds as the people who are competing to give up their seat.. I'll gladly offer for them to sit on my lap for their team, but that's what the fan section in front of the judges table is for! The system they had with bringing the teams to the baseball fields & escorting their parents did work very well and limited crowding. But okay, i'm done for now

 

[Rudags]

Penn & Teller should do a Part 2 on Varsity

This would be seriously bad PR for the sport. Can you envision the jilted-cheerleader-turned-reporter expose on this subject? Geesh!

GET WITH IT USASF. Really. We aren't stupid, and parents are getting highly fed up with being strung along.

cheersafety

 

[12stepCheermom]

Time for usasf to hire an event planner whose job is nothing but planning the logistics of worlds. Hotel/ worlds packages and how to get people in and around needs to be handed over to the professionals.

I don't understand how they don't already have this. Clearly they don't....I just don't get how they missed the memo on that one. Here's the thing, our gym owners decide what competitions we will and won't return to based in part on how that competition was run. That's directly effected our schedule and who gets our money ( and were a pretty sizable program with 10 teams in 2012). I think the Penn and Teller Varsity monopoly exposé is the issue. It's not like a gym WON'T go to worlds because they can't get their ---- together about seating in the Milkhouse or venues...or running 45 minutes behind schedule on Saturday and not seeming to care a bit about getting back on schedule...

Those are things that would encourage us not to go back to that EP. The problem here is that worlds is worlds. You're going whether they hold warm ups in the parking lot, run an hour ahead of schedule and only let 15 people into watch.

I'm not sure how you fix it when they have a monopoly and they KNOW they do.

 

[megaflipper]

So how would you schedule it? Obviously do not put small and large senior anywhere near each other. What else?

 

[ztaprincess]

So how would you schedule it? Obviously do not put small and large senior anywhere near each other. What else?

You want Large and Small senior to go at the same time but one in Jostens and one in the Milkhouse. They both have a huge following (you could sub Large Coed in for either of those) so if they are to go at the same time it would balance out the number of people in both venues. People wouldn't be able to watch both, but it would mean the competition would flow well and the chances of reaching capacity would be smaller. You want to make it so there are more people watching the teams that they like at Jostens while those in the Milkhouse are watching who they want to instead of everyone wanting to be in one arena at the same time. You could do LS + LC, MS+MC, SC+SS, IOC5+IO5, IO6+IOC6. If you want to have two divisions in the Milkhouse at one time then I would suggest mixing whichever senior division team with one of the international divisions. Say Have LS and IO5 go on at the Milkhouse while LC and IOC5 go on at Jostens.

This will upset people because they won't get to see everyone, but it organizes things a lot better. This is also something that could be done until Worlds can be moved to a different venue. You have to fix things to work around what you have and we have Disney to work with.

 

[cheercurl]

Gosh would it really feel like Worlds if it was held at say.... the Atlanta GA Convention center? Can't they just add on at Disney World? Surely Cheerleading Worlds is not the only event that is stifled by the lack of space at Disney?

 

[Knowcheering]

The Milkhouse only holds 5000 people. A high school's state football championship and some high school graduations have more people in attendance than could fit in the Milkhouse. If you want to cut back on the number of people at Worlds, you are destroying the popularity of your sport. Spectators and especially parents/relatives of the competitors should not feel like they were doing something wrong by purchasing a ticket to attend and watch (for as long as they pleased) the best cheerleading competition of the year.

The scheduling problems are NOT the cheerleaders' fault. The cheerleaders are what makes this event what it is. Limiting bids and drastically cutting down the number of teams in Finals has NOT helped crowd size. It only generates more spectators that sit in the Milkhouse and do not move. It used to be that half the teams in each division advanced to Finals, and it HELPED the crowd size because there were actually long hours between the top 10 in each division (and cheerleaders/their parents actually had to get out of their seats to go get ready to compete).

This time, the top 10 Finalists in not one, but two divisions, Lrg Coed & Small Sr, were scheduled to IMMEDIATELY follow Lrg Sr. Did they really believe this wouldn't cause mass chaos?! The only divisions that should have been scheduled right after Large Sr were the International divisions. The crowd would have loosened up substantially during lower level teams ranked 20th-30th from other countries. It would also helped to have Med Sr running simultaneously in Jostens while Large Sr was on. Isn't this all kind of common sense?