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[Eyes On The Prize]

Ha! Lol at "if Jesus came..."

Whenever people complain about the price of gas I always give the same response: "You do know the price is not the problem, right? Because truthfully, gas is actually one of the cheapest things you buy by the gallon. A gallon of milk costs more. Juice costs more. Imagine if you had to buy a gallon of shampoo. It's your *consumption* that's the problem. The reason you're mad is because you use 20 gallons a week of gas, but only about 2 gallons of milk. I use zero gallons a week of gas so I am fine with the price. I use more juice than I use gas, so I'm actually more concerned with that price. Stop consuming so much gas and you'll be fine."

Americans... Not gonna stop consuming gas, so all I get is blank stares of confusion and "Use less gas? What? Impossible." [emoji19]

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I understand your point but not everyone is fortunate enough to live in an area where there is public transportation they can fully rely on and a car is the only option for them. They can't not consume "so much gas". If America as a whole had a better public transportation system maybe that could change. But you can only find those in metropolises.

As for people buying gas guzzling SUVs, sometimes they are a necessity for people and sometimes they are a luxury.

 

[icame2WERQ]

I understand your point but not everyone is fortunate enough to live in an area where there is public transportation they can fully rely on and a car is the only option for them. They can't not consume "so much gas". If America as a whole had a better public transportation system maybe that could change. But you can only find those in metropolises.

As for people buying gas guzzling SUVs, sometimes they are a necessity for people and sometimes they are a luxury.

Exactly. It's kind of a necessity to have an SUV in the north east.

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

Exactly. It's kind of a necessity to have an SUV in the north east.

You're right. I mean I have a car but I'm living the life of struggle when we get storms.

There are a lot of families, even in areas other than north east that SUVs are a necessity for. People who tow things (boats, campers, trailers), people who do things where they need extra space like construction or outdoor activities, people who have more than 4 or 5 family members, or people who simply buy them because they feel they are safer in them than cars.

 

[SparkleSpankies]

I have a small SUV and it actually gets amazing gas mileage... it's possible....

 

[Just-a-Mom]

I understand your point but not everyone is fortunate enough to live in an area where there is public transportation they can fully rely on and a car is the only option for them. They can't not consume "so much gas". If America as a whole had a better public transportation system maybe that could change. But you can only find those in metropolises.

As for people buying gas guzzling SUVs, sometimes they are a necessity for people and sometimes they are a luxury.

Which is my (original) point about people not wanting trains... I don't get it. There is no public transportation because people here vote no on it, not because we're some poor unfortunate country that can't have it. So it's not that people aren't fortunate enough to live somewhere that has it - it's that the US *chooses* to be a place that doesn't have it.

I lived in Virginia Beach for 22 years and I watched proposal after proposal to build trains and improve public transportation get voted no - by the same people who complain relentlessly about gas (and drive their 2 kids around in 7 seat, V8 suv's).

But even living there, where there was NO public transportation, I still didn't use a full tank of gas every week, because I didn't drive EVERYWHERE I ever needed to go. Even without public transportation, you *can* walk places that are half a mile away... Yet I've watched people there drive from one building to another *in the same apartment complex*! Literally everyone in America has some excuse for why they personally HAVE TO drive everywhere.

That's what I mean about consumption. I don't mean don't drive at all - obviously people have to work, etc. But Americans will drive 10 feet before they'll walk or take a bus, even if it's available. I might live in a city with public transportation, but it's still an American city. There are plenty of people here who drive everywhere.

(side note: the US have some of the cheapest gas in the world - I think the only thing we love more than cars is complaining about problems that aren't problems)

Exactly. It's kind of a necessity to have an SUV in the north east.

We lived in Rochester, NY for 20 years without one. It's not a necessity. We had 4WD cars that were fine, and we lived on top of a very steep, snowy hill.

No one will ever convince me that an suv is a necessity. Doesn't mean I wouldn't buy one - I totally would (and have, and plan to again). I just wouldn't call it a necessity.

(*disclaimer - if you have 4 or more kids, or 3 or more with 2 in car seats, AND live somewhere that snows a lot... You can maybe convince me that an suv is a necessity for you)

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[Just-a-Mom]

You're right. I mean I have a car but I'm living the life of struggle when we get storms.

There are a lot of families, even in areas other than north east that SUVs are a necessity for. People who tow things (boats, campers, trailers), people who do things where they need extra space like construction or outdoor activities, people who have more than 4 or 5 family members, or people who simply buy them because they feel they are safer in them than cars.

Sorry for the double post - saw these too late. We were actually able to easily do all those things when I was a child, and I never knew anyone with an suv until the 90s.

But again, SUV's aren't really my point. It's driving to the 7-11 that's literally a quarter mile away. Or driving down the street in your own neighborhood to see your neighbor.

Waaaaaaaaaaalk. It's like it's a foreign word to people. Or ride a bike. Stop. Driving. Everywhere.

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[Ashley]

Exactly. It's kind of a necessity to have an SUV in the north east.

No it's not. I've live in New England my whole life and I've never had an SUV. I never even had snow tires before this winter. Maybe if you live in the boonies without regular plowing or work at a hospital and absolutely can't be snowed in, but most suburbs are plowed often enough that it's not an issue. Way too many people buy 4WD SUVs that use so much more gas than their 2WD counterparts that they simply don't need.

And @Just-a-Mom the gallon of milk I bought yesterday was cheaper than a gallon of gas

 

[Twinklestars]

I live in a rural area. To get to the main road where there is a dollar store, it is about 1.5 miles. Not too bad until you consider that there are no sidewalks and lots of curves in the road.

We have to drive everywhere. It is necessary and unsafe to do otherwise.

 

[cheernerd5678]

I live in a rural area. To get to the main road where there is a dollar store, it is about 1.5 miles. Not too bad until you consider that there are no sidewalks and lots of curves in the road.

We have to drive everywhere. It is necessary and unsafe to do otherwise.

I feel you. If I tried to walk anywhere outside of my neighborhood it would be unsafe. None of the roads into town from my neighborhood are safe to walk on, they're narrow, curvy, and hilly with no sidewalk along them. I drive if I go anywhere, plus pretty much anywhere you want to go from my house is at least 4 miles away minus a gas station about 2 miles from my house. We aren't even in a rural area we just live kind of on the edge of town. Once you get to downtown you can park and walk or if you live there you could walk places but it takes a 20 minute drive to get there from my house.
My parents have 5 kids so we have an SUV, but we also have a corolla, a PT Cruiser, and a little black car that I'm blanking on the name of that we use as often as possible. We really only drive our Expedition when we have the whole family or every other car is being used (we have 5 drivers who work so it happens) and then we'll have the person going the shortest distance drive it.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

I live in a rural area. To get to the main road where there is a dollar store, it is about 1.5 miles. Not too bad until you consider that there are no sidewalks and lots of curves in the road.

We have to drive everywhere. It is necessary and unsafe to do otherwise.

I feel you. If I tried to walk anywhere outside of my neighborhood it would be unsafe. None of the roads into town from my neighborhood are safe to walk on, they're narrow, curvy, and hilly with no sidewalk along them. I drive if I go anywhere, plus pretty much anywhere you want to go from my house is at least 4 miles away minus a gas station about 2 miles from my house. We aren't even in a rural area we just live kind of on the edge of town. Once you get to downtown you can park and walk or if you live there you could walk places but it takes a 20 minute drive to get there from my house.
My parents have 5 kids so we have an SUV, but we also have a corolla, a PT Cruiser, and a little black car that I'm blanking on the name of that we use as often as possible. We really only drive our Expedition when we have the whole family or every other car is being used (we have 5 drivers who work so it happens) and then we'll have the person going the shortest distance drive it.

Then you are not who I'm talking about. I knew as soon as I posted that 57 people were going to reply with why their situation is special and they have to drive everywhere they ever go.

But like I said, everyone in America can give an explanation for why they can't walk anywhere... 99% of those people can walk just fine. I'm not going to literally examine everyone's neighborhood and evaluate if you personally have a right to drive.

I'm saying that people who can walk, ride a bike, ride a train, ride a bus, etc usually don't. Americans will choose their cars 100% of the time over an equally viable option.

Truthfully, I'd bet that people who live in rural areas drive even when they're in urban areas. My suburban friends all drive when they come to the city. They can't wrap their head around walking or taking a train. So it's not a matter of availability or landscape. It's a matter of mindset.

Obviously I'm not saying every single person everywhere ever should walk. I'm saying that every day of my life I listen to people complain about the price of gas and then those same people turn around and drive their V8 suv 2 blocks down the road.

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[Official OWECheer]

Then you are not who I'm talking about. I knew as soon as I posted that 57 people were going to reply with why their situation is special and they have to drive everywhere they ever go.

But like I said, everyone in America can give an explanation for why they can't walk anywhere... 99% of those people can walk just fine. I'm not going to literally examine everyone's neighborhood and evaluate if you personally have a right to drive.

I'm saying that people who can walk, ride a bike, ride a train, ride a bus, etc usually don't. Americans will choose their cars 100% of the time over an equally viable option.

Truthfully, I'd bet that people who live in rural areas drive even when they're in urban areas. My suburban friends all drive when they come to the city. They can't wrap their head around walking or taking a train. So it's not a matter of availability or landscape. It's a matter of mindset.

Obviously I'm not saying every single person everywhere ever should walk. I'm saying that every day of my life I listen to people complain about the price of gas and then those same people turn around and drive their V8 suv 2 blocks down the road.

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Japan has this amazing metro system, with trains that float over they tracks on a magnetic field, and the travel at 250-350 mph (I think), and yet the trains never shake. They ride so smoothly that you can drink hot tea or write without interruption.

 

[Ashley]

Then you are not who I'm talking about. I knew as soon as I posted that 57 people were going to reply with why their situation is special and they have to drive everywhere they ever go.

But like I said, everyone in America can give an explanation for why they can't walk anywhere... 99% of those people can walk just fine. I'm not going to literally examine everyone's neighborhood and evaluate if you personally have a right to drive.

I'm saying that people who can walk, ride a bike, ride a train, ride a bus, etc usually don't. Americans will choose their cars 100% of the time over an equally viable option.

Truthfully, I'd bet that people who live in rural areas drive even when they're in urban areas. My suburban friends all drive when they come to the city. They can't wrap their head around walking or taking a train. So it's not a matter of availability or landscape. It's a matter of mindset.

Obviously I'm not saying every single person everywhere ever should walk. I'm saying that every day of my life I listen to people complain about the price of gas and then those same people turn around and drive their V8 suv 2 blocks down the road.

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I try and take public transportation if I go into the city - parking is such a PITA. But I also used to take the train to work everyday for 5 years or so, so I'm used to it. My husband never really knew how it worked, so he usually would drive in.

But when I lived on the outskirts of the city and took the bus to the subway to work, I never took it anywhere else. I drove if I could and parking was a problem. And even now that we live more or less in downtown, and my husband always wants to drive to main street instead of walking. I'm always like "no, we can walk the 1/3 mile to get there".

 

[TheVipersMom]

Honestly public transportation around here where I live is the bus, the bus usually has all walks of life on it.. And takes you much longer to get any where if you have to change busses. I've never done it but I know people without cars who do.


So because of that I would have never been interested in public transportation until we went to cheersport Atlanta and although my hotel was not super super far from the convention center I rode the MARTA and i absolutely loved it. It's so convenient and easy and I would much prefer that over driving... In fact I wouldn't mind living in the city and getting rid of my car lol


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[Eyes On The Prize]

Though I don't think a train system is realistic for every city, I'd really really really enjoy it if we had high speed trains between big cities and they were reasonably priced. I really wish we had that here. I would explore the U.S. so much more.

 

[Official OWECheer]

Though I don't think a train system is realistic for every city, I'd really really really enjoy it if we had high speed trains between big cities and they were reasonably priced. I really wish we had that here. I would explore the U.S. so much more.

That would be so much fun, taking a cross country train trip.

Europeans, I envy you.