All-Star Disqualifying Cheaters

[Tealxblack25]

Wow, safe to say fierceboard could sniff someone out of the witness protection program lol

 

[AngelsMum24]

Texas Wolverine All Stars are listed on the performance order for senior 1 and not on the results.

I am not saying these are the teams in question, only that these are the results/performance order things that don't match up.

Edit: the senior 2 is also not on the results.

if I remember correctly, the other day I saw Texas Wolverines had D2 Summit Bids.

 

[SL&AM]

Wow, safe to say fierceboard could sniff someone out of the witness protection program lol

You have NO idea how true that is.

 

[TheVipersMom]

I'm not saying it's not them but we live so close to Texas wolverines we could actually walk to the gym. Lol

They commonly every year/ every season show up on schedules and we think they are coming to a competition and then they only bring half their teams.
When you ask someone where their other teams are they always say the weren't ready or they weren't suppose to come.




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[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

You have NO idea how true that is.

Truth!

 

[CheerBank]

I don't see what the big deal would be for NCA to put an end to the speculation and just post the names of the gyms/teams who were disqualified for cheating. They should be called out and their paying customers should know. Or maybe we can just continue naming possible gyms in which case we really need a snopes for cheerleading to confirm or deny the tumors caused by speculation.

 

[123jump4!]

I don't see what the big deal would be for NCA to put an end to the speculation and just post the names of the gyms/teams who were disqualified for cheating. Or maybe we just need a snopes for cheerleading.

I think it was intimated that maybe it wasn't the gyms' fault in all cases? They were possibly the innocents, as were the kids? Parents submitting false paperwork? I don't know. Either way, good that it was caught! (I wonder how though... )

 

[TheVipersMom]

I think it was intimated that maybe it wasn't the gyms' fault in all cases? They were possibly the innocents, as were the kids? Parents submitting false paperwork? I don't know. Either way, good that it was caught! (I wonder how though... )

Yes, I talked to our gym owner yesterday and she gave me scenarios how it may not be these gyms fault and she asked how she can protect her self from that.

She said a lot of times she doesn't even see birth certificates, if you come from another gym and say your birthday is this. Y'all request the transfer thing for the athlete and it gets switched over through the usasf website whatever birth certificate they have entered goes. She doesn't get to see it to confirm or deny it.



At the beginning of last season we were having a lot of athletes from a surrounding gym show up in tumbling classes. She informed me most of their parents said their kids were trying out but their gym still had a team of two go to the one finals and they were just finishing out the season but switching. So when I saw what teams of theirs was going (maybe it's only 1 team that went??) I texted her and said hey do you have the tryout stuff at your house. She said yeah... I said I recall seeing the paper from level 3 tryouts (teams weren't completed yet- but I kind of helped with registration on tryout day. 1- name tags/ head shots so I kind of knew the girls) but beside the list of names of level 3 it said what the kid would be eligible for that season. So by my kid it said like youth, junior (she wasn't eligible for senior last year) beside another girl who was 10 already it said (youth, junior, senior) beside the girl i was questioning it said junior, senior.
I said I know Susie is only able to compete junior senior for us but can you look at her birthday and tell me if she would of been youth age for this season that is ending.

The owner had no clue why I was asking, and just confirmed her birthday to show me she was only junior, senior eligible. Before the owner had got back to me I already done my own fbi research and found posts where people told her happy 12bithday like a year before, and before the cut off day.

So I found out, and while I did tell a few of my coach friends, and someone that was there. I really had no luck.. I mean we were getting the kid but it really made me look down on the gym doing that.

I just don't know why people have to cheat, they knew the girl was underage. They just put her on for the one comp just to help out. I guess to pad their score! [emoji19] but if they will do it once they definitely wouldn't hesitate about doing it again


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[Cheermom1969]

I don't know why in cheer the TM or coach doesn't have a copy of birth certificates with them at comps. We had to do that for football and baseball. I had a couple of times where the other coach would question the age of one of our players and we had to show the league coordinator the BC of the child. It should be the same in cheer.

 

[Ashley]

I don't know why in cheer the TM or coach doesn't have a copy of birth certificates with them at comps. We had to do that for football and baseball. I had a couple of times where the other coach would question the age of one of our players and we had to show the league coordinator the BC of the child. It should be the same in cheer.

We had to have a photo id to check in before heading to warmups. I think since everyone has to register with USASF now, there's no real need for the coach to carry the BC since the EP should have access to that.

 

[CheerBank]

Yes, I talked to our gym owner yesterday and she gave me scenarios how it may not be these gyms fault and she asked how she can protect her self from that.

She said a lot of times she doesn't even see birth certificates, if you come from another gym and say your birthday is this. Y'all request the transfer thing for the athlete and it gets switched over through the usasf website whatever birth certificate they have entered goes. She doesn't get to see it to confirm or deny it.



At the beginning of last season we were having a lot of athletes from a surrounding gym show up in tumbling classes. She informed me most of their parents said their kids were trying out but their gym still had a team of two go to the one finals and they were just finishing out the season but switching. So when I saw what teams of theirs was going (maybe it's only 1 team that went??) I texted her and said hey do you have the tryout stuff at your house. She said yeah... I said I recall seeing the paper from level 3 tryouts (teams weren't completed yet- but I kind of helped with registration on tryout day. 1- name tags/ head shots so I kind of knew the girls) but beside the list of names of level 3 it said what the kid would be eligible for that season. So by my kid it said like youth, junior (she wasn't eligible for senior last year) beside another girl who was 10 already it said (youth, junior, senior) beside the girl i was questioning it said junior, senior.
I said I know Susie is only able to compete junior senior for us but can you look at her birthday and tell me if she would of been youth age for this season that is ending.

The owner had no clue why I was asking, and just confirmed her birthday to show me she was only junior, senior eligible. Before the owner had got back to me I already done my own fbi research and found posts where people told her happy 12bithday like a year before, and before the cut off day.

So I found out, and while I did tell a few of my coach friends, and someone that was there. I really had no luck.. I mean we were getting the kid but it really made me look down on the gym doing that.

I just don't know why people have to cheat, they knew the girl was underage. They just put her on for the one comp just to help out. I guess to pad their score! [emoji19] but if they will do it once they definitely wouldn't hesitate about doing it again


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Our gym requires all new athletes to the gym to bring the original birth certificate to the front desk where they make a copy to confirm correct DOB is entered in system for all their athletes. It's really not that hard for a gym to protect themselves. If they do that and a parent has given them a doctored one, they have the proof that it's not their fault.

Plus in the long run its only going to hurt the athlete - if they made them older in the system to begin with them down the road they will lose their final year of senior eligibility.

 

[Cheermom1969]

We had to have a photo id to check in before heading to warmups. I think since everyone has to register with USASF now, there's no real need for the coach to carry the BC since the EP should have access to that.

But if there is a BC available on the spot, it makes things much quicker. Or some sort of official list from the EP, who has seen a copy of the BC. That may be cumbersome for them, though. It was really easy for me as a TM to have my binder with each BC and a photo of each child.

 

[Cheermom1969]

Our gym requires all new athletes to the gym to bring the original birth certificate to the front desk where they make a copy to confirm correct DOB is entered in system for all their athletes. It's really not that hard for a gym to protect themselves. If they do that and a parent has given them a doctored one, they have the proof that it's not their fault.

But if you have a gym willing to cheat with a child who isn't age eligible and you have to have the BC with you when you compete, then that may curtail gyms wanting to cheat in that way.

 

[CheerBank]

But if you have a gym willing to cheat with a child who isn't age eligible and you have to have the BC with you when you compete, then that may curtail gyms wanting to cheat in that way.

I'm still convinced that out first gym used the birth certificates of athletes who were no longer with the gym to register certain kids for comps (this was before USASF registration). Their use of illegal athletes was one of the myriad of reasons we left. When an athlete on a junior team is handing out invitations to her Sweet 16, you know it's time.

 

[TheVipersMom]

Our gym requires all new athletes to the gym to bring the original birth certificate to the front desk where they make a copy to confirm correct DOB is entered in system for all their athletes. It's really not that hard for a gym to protect themselves. If they do that and a parent has given them a doctored one, they have the proof that it's not their fault.

Plus in the long run its only going to hurt the athlete - if they made them older in the system to begin with them down the road they will lose their final year of senior eligibility.

You are definitely right, i think she was just saying how can I be 1000 percent. Even if she does make everyone bring an original to the front desk.. How do we know it's theirs- or how do we know it hasn't been altered still. Even if we could prove it wasn't our fault. We didn't knowingly put 20 year old Susie on that team, or 9 year old flyer on that senior team lied about her age. She wouldn't want it reflecting negatively on the gym and she wouldn't want to have to explain to other parents Susie lied. We didn't know. She just was asking what's a way we could proof that 1000 percent. I know I had to bring a birth certificate our first season there, and I know at tryouts we asked people to bring them, and we made copies of them, and I know they put all the usasf stuff in not the parents so they see it. That was just an example she had when she was discussing ways of protecting her business.


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