1st Year Cheer Dad Is This Normal?

[mybabywantstotumble]

@Littlebear12 unless you make routine changes, your raw score is what it is. it really won't go up much from day 1 to day 2 unless the team was sloppy day 1 and they were cleaner day 2. your deductions from day 1 to day 2 can change. so i wouldn't take the coach saying scores on day 2 wouldn't improve as her being nasty or mean towards the kids.

As for the kids crying, the parents shouldn't be negative around the kids. negativity breeds negativity and if one person feeds it to their kid that kid will feed it to the other kids and then the team is a mess. be positive around your child and encourage others to do so. no gym is perfect and we all complain about things from time to time but never let your kid hear it.

 

[Littlebear12]

@Littlebear12 unless you make routine changes, your raw score is what it is. it really won't go up much from day 1 to day 2 unless the team was sloppy day 1 and they were cleaner day 2. your deductions from day 1 to day 2 can change. so i wouldn't take the coach saying scores on day 2 wouldn't improve as her being nasty or mean towards the kids.

As for the kids crying, the parents shouldn't be negative around the kids. negativity breeds negativity and if one person feeds it to their kid that kid will feed it to the other kids and then the team is a mess. be positive around your child and encourage others to do so. no gym is perfect and we all complain about things from time to time but never let your kid hear it.

I just can't see a football coach saying to the team at half time "well we are down by 24 points, I can't see it getting any better from here. Go out there and give it all you got"

 

[amy1k]

I just can't see a football coach saying to the team at half time "well we are down by 24 points, I can't see it getting any better from here. Go out there and give it all you got"

This isn't football, though.

 

[dawgshow]

I just can't see a football coach saying to the team at half time "well we are down by 24 points, I can't see it getting any better from here. Go out there and give it all you got"

The difference is that a football team can increase the score. A cheer routine has a given maximum score, the raw score, that it will hit based on the skills put in. The ONLY thing that a team can affect without changing the routine are deductions--skills that didn't hit the way they were meant to or are illegal (usually unknowingly).
In the example that you gave, it sounds like the coach meant, or said, something like "We're in 7th place. With our routine, we probably won't go up much."

 

[amy1k]

And the coaches know why, after day one, why they placed where they placed. If there is something they can fix, they likely will. It MUST be more difficult on a youth team. Safety has to be considered when making changes at the last minute.

 

[Littlebear12]

The difference is that a football team can increase the score. A cheer routine has a given maximum score, the raw score, that it will hit based on the skills put in. The ONLY thing that a team can affect without changing the routine are deductions--skills that didn't hit the way they were meant to or are illegal (usually unknowingly).
In the example that you gave, it sounds like the coach meant, or said, something like "We're in 7th place. With our routine, we probably won't go up much."

They did change their routine that night!

 

[Cheer Dad]

@Littlebear12 I am glad you took some time to do research and educate yourself on AS Cheer but I will caution you to not over educate yourself, especially with so many years to go should your daughter remain in cheer. It truly can be w curse at times.


**please raise your hand if you're related to Jocelyn**

 

[retiredl5cheer]

I just can't see a football coach saying to the team at half time "well we are down by 24 points, I can't see it getting any better from here. Go out there and give it all you got"

This is very, very different. A cheerleading routine is choreographed ahead of time, and the points awarded are based on that choreography. Unless you completely change the routine, or the team completely fell apart on Day 1 and hits perfectly on Day 2, your score likely won't change much. That's probably why your coaches continue to change the routine before each competition - they want the routine to score better than it did the last time.

I also urge you to run far away from the drama mamas. If there are parents crying about placement, those are the ones you want to stay FAR FAR away from. Those are the drama queens from high school that cried for all of the cafeteria to hear about their BF breaking up with them, or not making the cheerleading team, or getting a B. They thrive on attention. Don't feed into it. Your daughter is in 7th place. This is not the end of the world.

 

[Aussiekat]

Hey Littlebear, not all cheer gyms are run the same just as not all gymnastic gyms are run the same. I've been to big and little gyms, and none of them made me stand outside in only my uniform at 530 in the morning. My coaches have never ranted about placings to athletes when we did not do well- although routines have changed dramatically between competitions to score better or as our skills have improved. Once you know more about cheer, it will be easier to find a gym that suits your goals as a family, and for your CP's goals as an athlete.

If your daughter loves flying coed stunt privates, I don't see the harm in that as long as she realises it's VERY different from what she's doing with her team. Being comfortable in the air doing crazy stuff often helps flyers be comfortable in the air doing simpler stunts on their peers- it helps with the fear factor. It also helps to understand the mechanics of a skill rather than a flyer learning on bases who are learning. If you can take two tumbling classes off her schedule and stretch while doing homework, you'll be fine and have more family time.

As a petite person, I appreciate what you're doing to try and find your daughter a niche in the world where being small is an asset. For some kids (and you know your daughter best) being little can be hard to deal with. I see it all the time as a coach with those kids who are grounded for drinking and partying and trying to act older to offset their size anxiety. Lawwwwd knows I caused my parents quite a few headaches through high school. Of course, not all kids are like this; I was particularly awful though [emoji12]

 

[Official OWECheer]

I didn't take it that way. The people on this forum take cheer very seriously, I suspect I came off as ether a noob, or someone who was not showing due respect.

Just so you know where I am coming from Saturday night I had 2 upset moms in my hotel room ranting that their CPs had been told by their coach that they were in 7th place and she did not think there score would improve. She turned out to be correct there scores did go down they came in 8th. We had kids crying I have to be up at 3:30am to pack the car do hair and makeup. Then my wife tears up confessing that the coach and owner 2 months earlier attacked her and accused her of creating drama. So being the good engineer I am I stayed up most of the night reading and trying to understand what is going on.
I had to ask do people really spend this much money to be aggravated or am I doing it wrong.

I will now bring what I have learned to the now 4 irate moms and do what I can to defuse the situation. It appears there was nothing wrong with the situation and talking to the coach or owner would change nothing. This is just how this sport is done.

Funny side note, I told my neighbor that my daughter was in competition cheer. He responded that his daughter was also in cheer but no longer, and he was glad. He did not expand or say anymore about it. I thought it odd he did not offer advice.

Thank again to all of you

Sounds to me like you need to change gyms.

 

[Littlebear12]

I must say the top 3 teams out classed our team. I didn't even know they could do some of the things the top 3 did a youth 2 level. I think our first 2 competitions were small venue so we placed first, but now in competitions with 400 plus teams we in the bottom half. My question is this. We won a paid bid to world in Orlando in our first competition They were grand champions and competed against 14 teams. Why send a team to worlds from a small competition when they will be competing against teams that won their spot in a large regional competition?

 

[retiredl5cheer]

I must say the top 3 teams out classed our team. I didn't even know they could do some of the things the top 3 did a youth 2 level. I think our first 2 competitions were small venue so we placed first, but now in competitions with 400 plus teams we in the bottom half. My question is this. We won a paid bid to world in Orlando in our first competition They were grand champions and competed against 14 teams. Why send a team to worlds from a small competition when they will be competing against teams that won their spot in a large regional competition?

Are you talking about the Summit? No matter the competition, those bids are hard to come by. Your team must be pretty good if they one a paid Summit bid.

 

[mybabywantstotumble]

I must say the top 3 teams out classed our team. I didn't even know they could do some of the things the top 3 did a youth 2 level. I think our first 2 competitions were small venue so we placed first, but now in competitions with 400 plus teams we in the bottom half. My question is this. We won a paid bid to world in Orlando in our first competition They were grand champions and competed against 14 teams. Why send a team to worlds from a small competition when they will be competing against teams that won their spot in a large regional competition?

I'm assuming you mean Summit, not Worlds. Worlds is only for Senior level 5 teams. Do you know if you have a D1 or D2 Summit bid?

 

[Official OWECheer]

I must say the top 3 teams out classed our team. I didn't even know they could do some of the things the top 3 did a youth 2 level. I think our first 2 competitions were small venue so we placed first, but now in competitions with 400 plus teams we in the bottom half. My question is this. We won a paid bid to world in Orlando in our first competition They were grand champions and competed against 14 teams. Why send a team to worlds from a small competition when they will be competing against teams that won their spot in a large regional competition?

Multiple EPs (Event Producers) give out Worlds bids. However, it is easier to win bids from certain EPs because their events aren't as competitive. The playing field isn't even. Being able to give out Worlds bids does bring more publicity to a company, but the more competent a team is, the better it makes an EP look. For example, if Stingrays Orange (a REALLY successful all-star team with 8 gold medals from Worlds) goes to Worlds on a bid from an EP, it makes that EP look good because a team that prestigious actually cares enough to attend that EPs bid competition, which also implies that the events held by that EP are well-attended. This increases the EP's prestige in the eyes of the industry, if that makes sense. (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.)

ETA: Didn't realize you were talking about the Summit instead of Worlds.

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

No one is trying to antagonize you.

But some of you are being harsh for no reason and need to tone it down. He is BRAND NEW to cheer and is going to mix things up/not know stuff/have questions that don't make complete sense or go against what Fierceboard thinks is ok. Give him some slack. He is reaching out for help because he thinks we can help him. So lets show him some respect and be the good wealth of knowledge and support I know we can be. Not the kingdom of snark and jumping to conclusions that I also know we can be. There I said it.